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Glad I didn't go, tbh.  Does sound a bit of a farce.

 

It sounds like a bunch of fans getting together trying to have a say in their club. I don't know what people expected.

 

Unfortunately I think the time for action has been and gone. Our support is just too fractious to be able to come together like a Spirit of Shankley type of way which, let's be honest, is the only way the supporters could be an effective force. The one and only time that our fans were able to get together and agree on something was post-KK, from which NUSC/T sprung. Great idea, badly executed which became consumed with 'owning' the club and then became a vanity project for Mr Jensen.

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I'm enjoying it. Think I've lost the plot.

 

Really? Howay. ???

 

Dunno whether it's just because it's the summer so it's not affecting us on the pitch yet, but I've certainly not been too upset by it all. The initial announcement just left me incredulous.

 

If we start losing good players and/or bringing absolute shite in then I'll start to spit the dummy out.

I Agree, am just enjoying the summer, time to worry is if we start badly, sell good players and don't buy good replacements.
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Interview from 3 years ago

 

 

 

"Kevin Keegan and Alan Shearer, the Messiahs, got nine points between them."

 

When I went into hospital, we were 13th with 13 games left. Everything was going in our favour.

 

All the other clubs were getting beat, and we were on a great run. It was looking an absolute doddle.

 

I said to Mike (Ashley), let me come back, but he said, no, the club doctor spoke to the specialist, and it was too dangerous.

 

What disappointed me most was that, irrespective of my health, I could have been a figurehead, so Alan could have bounced things off me.

 

I would have be able to help and guide him.

 

Alan has been a phenomenal player, but hes never been in management or coaching.

 

The whole of Newcastle wanted him, and they got him.

 

They have delusions of grandeur

 

They need someone who can put a winning unit together on a regular basis.

 

If it was me, and I had pot loads of money, I would try and get someone like Martin ONeill.

 

Joe Kinnear claimed today that Ashley had made him an offer last month of a two-year contract to come back as manager, only for him to turn it down on medical grounds. His doctor says he cannot return to the dug-out until December at the earliest. But it is other comments by Kinnear, who managed the club from September until he left for triple heart bypass surgery in February, about regional attitudes that may stir debate. "I think Mike Ashley got a lot of unfair criticism last year, I think anybody from London does, that's the way life is up there," said Kinnear.

 

"We were 2-0 up against Aston Villa [in November] and a chant broke out around the entire stadium for about 10 minutes, 'There's only one KK.' You get it whoever you are, it's just the way they are. Up there, KK [Kevin Keegan] and Shearer are their two Messiahs and that's who they want all the time."

 

Kinnear's opinion about Newcastle was countered by a spokesman for the regional development agency One North East. "The north-east is well known as one of the most welcoming areas of the UK. Last year Lonely Planet described the north-east as 'the most exciting, beautiful andfriendly region in the whole of England'."

 

Kinnear said he cannot see Shearer returning as manager while Ashley remains owner. "I would think Shearer would go back if new buyers come in," he said. "He won't under the present ownership. At the moment I wouldn't think there's any chance." The coach, Chris Hugh- ton, is fulfilling a caretaker role for now.

 

Kinnear also backed the striker Michael Owen to return to form at Manchester United, the club he joined last month after four disappointing seasons at Newcastle. "Michael will be a much better player alongside the type of players that Man United have got," he said at the launch of the new Championship Manager 2010 game. "Unfortunately we were just a workmanlike side, we didn't create enough chances for him. At Newcastle he got a little bit stale and disappointed with what he was playing with. I spoke to Alex [Ferguson] prior to Michael going there and I think the move will inspire him."

 

Kinnear said that Ferguson had inquired about Owen's "fitness level, nothing else". "Michael is only 29, people forget that," said Kinnear. "He's had some decent games for us but when we don't produce, he gets starved and it's tough for him. He just had to roll his sleeves up at Newcastle, they are not a glamour team. He has gone to a real glamour team now."

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Interview from 3 years ago

 

When I went into hospital, we were 13th with 13 games left. Everything was going in our favour.

 

All the other clubs were getting beat, and we were on a great run. It was looking an absolute doddle.

 

 

Just to remind all and sundry (as if they need reminding)

 

The Nurse Ratched dodgers  last 8 results -

Wigan (A) lost 2-1

Liverpool (H) lost 5-1

Hull (FAC R3) (A) drew 0-0

West Ham (H) drew 2-2

Hull (H) (FAC R3 Replay) lost 1-0

Blackburn (A) lost 3-0

Man City (A) lost 2-1

Sunderland (H) drew 1-1

 

If that silly old c*nt does read this forum, I would like to see him defend his comments and explain what is so great about 3 draws and 5 defeats from 8 games.

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Glad I didn't go, tbh.  Does sound a bit of a farce.

 

It sounds like a bunch of fans getting together trying to have a say in their club. I don't know what people expected.

 

Unfortunately I think the time for action has been and gone. Our support is just too fractious to be able to come together like a Spirit of Shankley type of way which, let's be honest, is the only way the supporters could be an effective force. The one and only time that our fans were able to get together and agree on something was post-KK, from which NUSC/T sprung. Great idea, badly executed which became consumed with 'owning' the club and then became a vanity project for Mr Jensen.

 

I'm just yet to hear anything that's been said by way of doing something.  It appears to have all been "I am not happy" and "I don't like Mike Ashley".

 

I thought there would be a call for fellow fans to stop buying merchandise and hit the club where it hurts.  It's just been an outline of problems with no solutions being offered.

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Just an observation - I do not think that when JFK mentioned fan "forums" he was referring to anything on the internet. There is a definition of the word "forum" that reads "a public meeting place for open discussion" and it is this type of forum I believe JFK was alluding to. I would like to make it clear that I do not intend this post to be construed as any sort of offer by me to act as an interpreter for his public utterances (past, present or future). 

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Glad I didn't go, tbh.  Does sound a bit of a farce.

 

It sounds like a bunch of fans getting together trying to have a say in their club. I don't know what people expected.

 

Unfortunately I think the time for action has been and gone. Our support is just too fractious to be able to come together like a Spirit of Shankley type of way which, let's be honest, is the only way the supporters could be an effective force. The one and only time that our fans were able to get together and agree on something was post-KK, from which NUSC/T sprung. Great idea, badly executed which became consumed with 'owning' the club and then became a vanity project for Mr Jensen.

 

I'm just yet to hear anything that's been said by way of doing something.  It appears to have all been "I am not happy" and "I don't like Mike Ashley".

 

I thought there would be a call for fellow fans to stop buying merchandise and hit the club where it hurts.  It's just been an outline of problems with no solutions being offered.

 

Thing is the minute you do anything like that you instantly alienate certain supporters because some just don't like being told what to do. NUSC discovered that when they tried to arrange boycotts etc. Until our support can sit down without bickering with one another then it's bets just left up to the individuals to do what they want.

 

Wraith has his faults ("I don't know if I've mentioned I'm an associate of the Krays") but he's been pretty up front in saying that the meeting was a chance for fans to voice their discontent when club staff were in the room. He's not working on some grand plan to unseat Ashley.

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Glad I didn't go, tbh.  Does sound a bit of a farce.

 

It sounds like a bunch of fans getting together trying to have a say in their club. I don't know what people expected.

 

Unfortunately I think the time for action has been and gone. Our support is just too fractious to be able to come together like a Spirit of Shankley type of way which, let's be honest, is the only way the supporters could be an effective force. The one and only time that our fans were able to get together and agree on something was post-KK, from which NUSC/T sprung. Great idea, badly executed which became consumed with 'owning' the club and then became a vanity project for Mr Jensen.

 

I'm just yet to hear anything that's been said by way of doing something.  It appears to have all been "I am not happy" and "I don't like Mike Ashley".

 

I thought there would be a call for fellow fans to stop buying merchandise and hit the club where it hurts.  It's just been an outline of problems with no solutions being offered.

 

Thing is the minute you do anything like that you instantly alienate certain supporters because some just don't like being told what to do. NUSC discovered that when they tried to arrange boycotts etc. Until our support can sit down without bickering with one another then it's bets just left up to the individuals to do what they want.

 

Wraith has his faults ("I don't know if I've mentioned I'm an associate of the Krays") but he's been pretty up front in saying that the meeting was a chance for fans to voice their discontent when club staff were in the room. He's not working on some grand plan to unseat Ashley.

 

They know we're discontented but those that were present will have next to no power to do anything.  The best we can hope for is that it will pressure someone further up in the club's hierarchy to attend next time and hear the concern first hand.

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Glad I didn't go, tbh.  Does sound a bit of a farce.

 

It sounds like a bunch of fans getting together trying to have a say in their club. I don't know what people expected.

 

Unfortunately I think the time for action has been and gone. Our support is just too fractious to be able to come together like a Spirit of Shankley type of way which, let's be honest, is the only way the supporters could be an effective force. The one and only time that our fans were able to get together and agree on something was post-KK, from which NUSC/T sprung. Great idea, badly executed which became consumed with 'owning' the club and then became a vanity project for Mr Jensen.

 

I'm just yet to hear anything that's been said by way of doing something.  It appears to have all been "I am not happy" and "I don't like Mike Ashley".

 

I thought there would be a call for fellow fans to stop buying merchandise and hit the club where it hurts.  It's just been an outline of problems with no solutions being offered.

 

Thing is the minute you do anything like that you instantly alienate certain supporters because some just don't like being told what to do. NUSC discovered that when they tried to arrange boycotts etc. Until our support can sit down without bickering with one another then it's bets just left up to the individuals to do what they want.

 

Wraith has his faults ("I don't know if I've mentioned I'm an associate of the Krays") but he's been pretty up front in saying that the meeting was a chance for fans to voice their discontent when club staff were in the room. He's not working on some grand plan to unseat Ashley.

 

They know we're discontented but those that were present will have next to no power to do anything.  The best we can hope for is that it will pressure someone further up in the club's hierarchy to attend next time and hear the concern first hand.

 

Ashley's the only person that matters. He's not going to attend.

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I just don't see what gathering people together to raise concerns to club officials is going to achieve. Ashley simply doesn't give a fuck and he'll do as he pleases regardless of the discontent it creates. He owns us lock, stock and barrel and I genuinely don't believe our concerns even register on his fuckometer.

 

The only choice we have is to turn out backs on the club or continue to support them. Each to their own but protests, boycotts, rallies and talk-ins will amount to nothing imo. If he was someone who listened and was prepared to adapt things then I'd be all for it but he's not. He'll do as he wants.

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Just an observation - I do not think that when JFK mentioned fan "forums" he was referring to anything on the internet. There is a definition of the word "forum" that reads "a public meeting place for open discussion" and it is this type of forum I believe JFK was alluding to. I would like to make it clear that I do not intend this post to be construed as any sort of offer by me to act as an interpreter for his public utterances (past, present or future).

 

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I just don't see what gathering people together to raise concerns to club officials is going to achieve. Ashley simply doesn't give a f*** and he'll do as he pleases regardless of the discontent it creates. He owns us lock, stock and barrel and I genuinely don't believe our concerns even register on his fuckometer.

 

The only choice we have is to turn out backs on the club or continue to support them. Each to their own but protests, boycotts, rallies and talk-ins will amount to nothing imo. If he was someone who listened and was prepared to adapt things then I'd be all for it but he's not. He'll do as he wants.

 

We are up to page 187 in here. A few beers and chinwag is old skool. I found out tonight these meetings get radicals to the silent and those that raise an interesting point. I will be going to the next meeting as like the crack and seeing the odd implosion.  I completely agree that the radicals expecting MA to sell up on the back of these meeting are living in a different world.

 

People need to realise 30 years ago most clubs were owned by a local family, 20 years ago most top flight clubs were owned by multi millionaires & now most top flight clubs are owned by billionaires or those not far off. Fan ownership is not going to happen.

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