AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Mapou is only 2cm shorter than Taylor. I understand the desire to have someone 'stronger' though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Where's this myth coming from that Yanga-Mbiwa isn't very good in the air btw? Especially compared to Taylor. Yanga-Mbiwa has a hell of a jump on him and I can't say I've ever really saw Taylor bully out a centre forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Apparently Colo is 6'0 and Sir Les is 5'10. Like Colo, i'd consider Mapou pretty weak in the air. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 But aye strength is another big thing. Mapou is quick but that's the only complimentary attribute he has to Colo from what i've seen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 especiallt with all this talk of Cabaye/Siss/Marv midfield. Cisse up top. Colo-Map at the back = weakest spine in the division. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Yeah you gotta be 9 foot and tonk to play football Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Coloccini looked weak as piss in the air in his first season. Mbiwa isn't weak in the slightest, he's a bit tentative at the moment as he gets used to the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Coloccini looked weak as piss in the air in his first season. Mbiwa isn't weak in the slightest, he's a bit tentative at the moment as he gets used to the league. This is probably the correct answer. I remember when Alan Smith used to have to stand in front of Colo to stop him being dominated on every long ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fumaca Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Mapou looked great when he first arrived, his confidence just took a bit of a hit with our poor results. Think he'll prove to be an important player for us this season. As this is a Bent thread - would everyone rather have Kone? Similar type of player Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Moody Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Mapou looked great when he first arrived, his confidence just took a bit of a hit with our poor results. Think he'll prove to be an important player for us this season. As this is a Bent thread - would everyone rather have Kone? Similar type of player But less of a mackem. In seriousness, don't know that much about Kone, but really don't want Bent to join, mainly because I'm certain it would mean pairing up with Cisse in a 442. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Mapou looked great when he first arrived, his confidence just took a bit of a hit with our poor results. Think he'll prove to be an important player for us this season. As this is a Bent thread - would everyone rather have Kone? Similar type of player Agree on Mbiwa, I think he's going to be a quality for us. On Kone and Bent, they're very different players, couldn't be much more different as strikers to be honest. Also yeah I'd absolutely love to have Kone here instead of Bent. Bent is a 100% goal poacher, with a lot of chances created for him he'll score lots of goals, but he does nothing else at all. Kone is the kind of player who can nick goals (1 in 2.9 is still a good record), but he can also come deep and link up play, as well as being able to run at players. He could play up front as part of a 2 or wide in a front 3, much more to his game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Would much prefer Kone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Where's this myth coming from that Yanga-Mbiwa isn't very good in the air btw? Especially compared to Taylor. Yanga-Mbiwa has a hell of a jump on him and I can't say I've ever really saw Taylor bully out a centre forward. Danny Graham gave Yapou the run around, other than that I've seen nothing to be concerned about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Erm.... Colo has gotten better in the air but he's still fairly poor compared to a lot of CB's and some strikers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Erm.... Colo has gotten better in the air but he's still fairly poor compared to a lot of CB's and some strikers. He's certainly not in the top bracket, but he's good enough and in some games has dominated there. Anyway the point is he improved a lot from his first season when he could easily have been described as weak as piss in the air. I think Yanga-Mbiwa should be given a season before he's declared weak as piss, that's all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Erm.... Colo has gotten better in the air but he's still fairly poor compared to a lot of CB's and some strikers. He's certainly not in the top bracket, but he's good enough and in some games has dominated there. Anyway the point is he improved a lot from his first season when he could easily have been described as weak as p*ss in the air. I think Yanga-Mbiwa should be given a season before he's declared weak as p*ss, that's all. Point is - it's one of the weaker areas of his game. Aerial ability needs to be one of the strongest points about his partner. Same thing with strength and pace. I think Taylor compliments Colo better. I'm sure Taylor will break down and we'll see that partnership anyway. Then we'll see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Mapou's hardly a shrinking violet, kept Lukaku very quiet indeed at the Hawthorns, so quiet they had to shift him out wide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Replacing Jonas with a genuinely creative player would elevate the side beyond belief. ..and would also leave Santon open to getting ripped apart every game. Jonas goes then fine, but then we need an experienced proper left back. Santon can learn how to defend. Or be dropped for Haidara/Mbiwa Haidara makes Santon look like a great defender. Anyway, a creative, fast forward in Jonas' place would offer far more protection than Jonas who gives the ball away constantly and offers no attacking threat to pin a side back on the left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Erm.... Colo has gotten better in the air but he's still fairly poor compared to a lot of CB's and some strikers. He's certainly not in the top bracket, but he's good enough and in some games has dominated there. Anyway the point is he improved a lot from his first season when he could easily have been described as weak as p*ss in the air. I think Yanga-Mbiwa should be given a season before he's declared weak as p*ss, that's all. Point is - it's one of the weaker areas of his game. Aerial ability needs to be one of the strongest points about his partner. Same thing with strength and pace. I think Taylor compliments Colo better. I'm sure Taylor will break down and we'll see that partnership anyway. Then we'll see. One of the weaker area's but still good enough. Its not like Taylor covers for him constantly in that area, its more that Coloccini isn't good enough in the air to cover for others (like the rather limp Williamson). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Replacing Jonas with a genuinely creative player would elevate the side beyond belief. ..and would also leave Santon open to getting ripped apart every game. Jonas goes then fine, but then we need an experienced proper left back. Santon can learn how to defend. Or be dropped for Haidara/Mbiwa Haidara makes Santon look like a great defender. He really doesn't like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Haidara's good going forward but he's a terrible defender. Doesn't have a clue yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Haidara's good going forward but he's a terrible defender. Doesn't have a clue yet. I don't think he's looked any worse defensively than Santon though, granted we haven't seen much of him so its hard to judge, but then I don't rate Santon as a defender. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Toon Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 As a LB Mapou is the best defender, then Haidara and then Santon who is the most positionaly challenged defender we have had for a long time. Going forward its the opposite. If Mapou doesn't start instead of Taylor (he should) then he should start at LB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 You're having a laugh, man. Santon's never come close to Haidara's 'performance' against Liverpool in his 2 years here. He's not a great defender but he's generally decent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Erm.... Colo has gotten better in the air but he's still fairly poor compared to a lot of CB's and some strikers. He's certainly not in the top bracket, but he's good enough and in some games has dominated there. Anyway the point is he improved a lot from his first season when he could easily have been described as weak as p*ss in the air. I think Yanga-Mbiwa should be given a season before he's declared weak as p*ss, that's all. Point is - it's one of the weaker areas of his game. Aerial ability needs to be one of the strongest points about his partner. Same thing with strength and pace. I think Taylor compliments Colo better. I'm sure Taylor will break down and we'll see that partnership anyway. Then we'll see. One of the weaker area's but still good enough. Its not like Taylor covers for him constantly in that area, its more that Coloccini isn't good enough in the air to cover for others (like the rather limp Williamson). Williamson wins a higher % of aerial duels than Colo. So does Taylor. It's only "good enough" if his partner is very good. Colo is average to poor in the air. Same thing with pace - Colo's slow. same thing with strength - he's weak. But his brain, composure, feet and reading of the game are great. His partner needs to be physically strong and good in the air. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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