Collage Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Dennis Bergkamp? Though arguably not really a striker. EDIT: Same with Del Piero. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Interesting point, who is the best striker with the worst goalscoring record? Emile Heskey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 More seriously, I was about to name Kluivert but he's almost 1 in 2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 He creates everything for that team, he's no less of a playmaker than Iniesta is (not saying he's better mind but the things he does are what constitutes a playmaker.) He creates plays and dictates how the team plays in terms of tempo, your idea of playmaking is clearly quite different to mine because Hazard is clearly playmaking for that team. TBF I see Cesc as the playmaker of that team. Playmaker for me is the one that dictates the tempo of games and creates chances. Hazard does create and all, but he doesn't really dictate the tempo of the game like Messi does when he plays on the wings. It's harder for a winger to be a playmaker in MY way of seeing it. Iniesta has also played a significant portion of his career as a central player. Likewise David Silva who is also a playmaker. Fabregas and De Bruyne all the playmakers in the sides Hazard plays for. In their absence Hazard wouldn't take their roles either. I'm with Felip, a Playmaker sets the tempo and controls the game. Verratti in the week. Cesc often in the league. Silva drifting from wide and just dominating the game. Hazard's remit in Mourinho's team is essentially inbetween ADM/ & Cronaldo. Neither as playmakers. He reserved that Ozil & Alonso. Unpopular opinion: It's very hard to have Cesc Fabregas as he is as an integral part of a top, top team. I think Mou's counter attacking approach suits him best. He's best as #10 but lacks the feet to create space against top quality opposition. And he lacks positional sense to do it as a deeper midfielder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Interesting point, who is the best striker with the worst goalscoring record? For us at the moment, Perez. Historically Bellamy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Interesting point, who is the best striker with the worst goalscoring record? For us at the moment, Perez. Historically Bellamy. Bellamy - Shearer. Don't think I'll ever enjoy a partnership as much as those at this club again. Complemented each other so well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Interesting point, who is the best striker with the worst goalscoring record? For us at the moment, Perez. Historically Bellamy. For us in recent times it's got to be Larsson. Rather poor scoring record but great at making space for others and enabling Ronaldinho/Eto'o to do their thing. Shoutout to Villa and how cannily clever he was moving in and around the box to drag defences and create space for Messi, but his record is close to 1 in 2. Currently it's Suárez. But he seems to be hitting his streak, scoring-wise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 He creates everything for that team, he's no less of a playmaker than Iniesta is (not saying he's better mind but the things he does are what constitutes a playmaker.) He creates plays and dictates how the team plays in terms of tempo, your idea of playmaking is clearly quite different to mine because Hazard is clearly playmaking for that team. TBF I see Cesc as the playmaker of that team. Playmaker for me is the one that dictates the tempo of games and creates chances. Hazard does create and all, but he doesn't really dictate the tempo of the game like Messi does when he plays on the wings. It's harder for a winger to be a playmaker in MY way of seeing it. There's two types of playmaker, the Xavi and Pirlo type and the more advanced type. Hazard falls under the latter IMO. Regardless he's clearly no forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Interesting point, who is the best striker with the worst goalscoring record? Diego Forlan, Manchester United. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maybe_next_year Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Interesting point, who is the best striker with the worst goalscoring record? Diego Forlan, Manchester United. Hated how every time I watched him post-Man u, the commentators always felt the need to mention his 'failure' in England Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Should've went to boro Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Love watching Gareth Bale as well. Don't like goal line technology. Never really understood why there aren't more players at the top level who can take an absolutely giant throw in. Not that difficult trait to train up but can be a really effective asset for any team. Of course watching Stoke under Pulis was pure aids where their game plan was only throw ins but still. Every team should have at least one player who can launch a gigantic throw in. It was more the speed and trajectory of Delaps throws that were difficult to defend against, rather than how far he managed to throw it. Very difficult skill to master. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Bergkamp would be my choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Mark Hughes for me like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Hernan Crespo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Romario Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Advanced playmaker - Zidane, Iniesta, David Silva. Never Hazard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Amr Zaki. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Advanced playmaker - Zidane, Iniesta, David Silva. Never Hazard. There is absolutely zero difference between what Iniesta did for Barca than what Hazard does for Chelsea. And don't say he controls the tempo of a game because he doesn’t. Iniesta used his dribbling ability to link the play between Xavi and Messi and Hazard does exactly the same but be the link between Fabregas and Costa. He's no forward in any case Bale and Neymar are forwards, they constantly make off the ball runs in behind defenses. When have you ever seen Hazard make runs in behind defences? He doesn't because he's creating for those around him and has absolutely no idea how to make off the ball runs because he isn't you know a forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Hazard said: “We [Hazard and Mourinho] would both like for me to score more. Us forwards need to score and to pass. Hazard calls himself a forward. You are wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Hazard said: “We [Hazard and Mourinho] would both like for me to score more. Us forwards need to score and to pass. Hazard calls himself a forward. You are wrong. Mind you, you think you're a good poster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Advanced playmaker - Zidane, Iniesta, David Silva. Never Hazard. There is absolutely zero difference between what Iniesta did for Barca than what Hazard does for Chelsea. And don't say he controls the tempo of a game because he doesn’t. Iniesta used his dribbling ability to link the play between Xavi and Messi and Hazard does exactly the same but be the link between Fabregas and Costa. He's no forward in any case Bale and Neymar are forwards, they constantly make off the ball runs in behind defenses. When have you ever seen Hazard make runs in behind defences? He doesn't because he's creating for those around him and has absolutely no idea how to make off the ball runs because he isn't you know a forward. To say there is no difference between what Iniesta did at Barca and what Hazard does at Chelsea is plain wrong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astroblack Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Hazard said: “We [Hazard and Mourinho] would both like for me to score more. Us forwards need to score and to pass. Hazard calls himself a forward. You are wrong. I think by that he means attacking players. Hazard has always struck me as a winger. It's where he starts off and where he spends most of his time. He gets the free role time to time but he's mostly on the wing. That's where he was for Belgium in the WC, too. He's one of my favorite players to watch, mind. He glides by defenders with ease but he needs to shoot more. You see Ronaldo do the same thing and then blast it in the top corner from wherever he is on the park. Hazard, however, takes an extra touch or stops dead. He can be quite frustrating in that sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 If the Chronicle is to be believed. I apparently hold the unpopular opinion of wanting Carver out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 If the Chronicle is to be believed. I apparently hold the unpopular opinion of wanting Carver out. According to their poll at least 90% of people agree with you though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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