Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Hes not a scapegoat because there's nothing that much to scapegoat when you're on an 11 game unbeaten run. Hes chronically limited with the ball while being good defensively in this league, will be found out again in the prem though much like he was last season, for the most part I think people just point this out, and now its trendy to be outraged if anyone criticizes him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Posted my thoughts during the Brighton match. Getting proper fed up of Dummett like. He tries hard and he's a decent defender but he's so inept on the ball it really hurts us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 It'll damage us next season. He's playing because Haidara's not very good and Rafa obviously doesn't think Lazaar is suited. The fact he spent a fair bit on a Serie A level left-back though suggests to me that he's 'making do' with Dummett rather than rating him in particular. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 He's just a trendy one to dislike, and so people decide to lambaste him with ridiculous statements. The internet needs a scapegoat, even when we're smashing a division to pieces. I dinnah, like. Him and Colback are easy to single out when the result influences your opinion for obvious reasons. The reason with Dummett being that he's defensively sound, but atrocious with the ball at his feet. Not Mike Williamson bad, but definitely one that needlessly hoofs it fairly often. He's cut down on it recently tbf though, maybe Rafa's had a word with him about it. Whatever he intentionally does on the pitch will be pretty much exactly what Rafa's told him to do. It he hoofs it it's because that's what Rafa's told him to do in that situation. He's not a very good passer so it doesn't make sense him trying to play it along the floor forward to the midfield or across to the other defenders. Doing that is obviously needlessly dangerous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 He's just a trendy one to dislike, and so people decide to lambaste him with ridiculous statements. The internet needs a scapegoat, even when we're smashing a division to pieces. I dinnah, like. Him and Colback are easy to single out when the result influences your opinion for obvious reasons. The reason with Dummett being that he's defensively sound, but atrocious with the ball at his feet. Not Mike Williamson bad, but definitely one that needlessly hoofs it fairly often. He's cut down on it recently tbf though, maybe Rafa's had a word with him about it. Whatever he intentionally does on the pitch will be pretty much exactly what Rafa's told him to do. It he hoofs it it's because that's what Rafa's told him to do in that situation. He's not a very good passer so it doesn't make sense him trying to play it along the floor forward to the midfield or across to the other defenders. Doing that is obviously needlessly dangerous. Both guesses are as good as the other, particularly as he seems to have cut down on doing it lately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 will be found out again in the prem though much like he was last season Pretty sure I asked you to give me an example of a bad game he had last season and you couldn't, mind. He's a good defender in both leagues. Problem is when we're in the Prem we'll need a bit more about us going forward at home so an upgrade would be welcomed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Upgrade when we go up, keep him as back up for centre half and left back as a squad player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 will be found out again in the prem though much like he was last season Pretty sure I asked you to give me an example of a bad game he had last season and you couldn't, mind. He's a good defender in both leagues. Problem is when we're in the Prem we'll need a bit more about us going forward at home so an upgrade would be welcomed. Eh? He had plenty of poor games in the PL, almost entirely at left back. Just look through this thread for post match reaction to his PL performances and you'll see that many, me included thought that he was poor in plenty of matches, along with the rest of them. If you mean that he didn't often stand out as being the absolute worst player on a field that regularly included Gouffran, Wijnaldum, Colback, Taylor, Coloccini, and Mitrovic then you're right, he didn't, but that's not exactly complimentary. Edit: Doi! Last season. Fair enough, he didn't really. He's miles better at centre back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Showed his defensive quality today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 One of our better players today for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Eh? Think the first thing he did in his 'preferred CB' position was to head the ball square to their player. He was awful, looked much better when Gamez came on for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 He's a scar from Pardew. He's seriously afraid of having the ball at his feet. He looks at it with fear. It takes a decent amount of time for him to get his feet right before he passes it to someone very close to him. There are two telling facts: 1. Under Pardew he was given a 6-year contract. 2. Pardew wanted to sign him for Palace. How we're still dealing with him, partly due to an inexplicable glorification because he appeared form the academy, is horrendous and a testament to how poorly run the club has been for far too long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 I agree with the general crux of your point - but the really horrific thing is that he's very far from the worst player in the current squad, and actually one of the most consistent players for a Championship club. That's the true scale of our mismanagement in recent years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Not.A.PL.Defender. End-Of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 One of our better players today for me Are you taking the piss? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 One of our better players today for me No way. Basically gave them their second on a plate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 That 'defending' for the second was fucking abysmal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 I still find it amazing that some on here still seem to rate him, average at best defending but even more importantly absolutely total wank with his forward play and his passing skills are Sunday league at best. He is severely lacking in the one aspect which is key in the modern game and is one of the reasons why the ball is punted forward as he hasn't got the skill set to do anything else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Think i would play Clark at LB if fit, The orc alongside Mbemba with Gamez at Rb next game. Lascelles needs a game or two out of the team as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 None of which will happen Bimpy, let's be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 I definitely wouldn't put our best centre back at left back for starters Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 None of which will happen Bimpy, let's be honest. Very true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 I definitely wouldn't put our best centre back at left back for starters Also very true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 You know, could just play Haidara or Lazaar. Or Gamez. The actual full backs. Even if they aren't as good its time to take him out of the firing line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 I think the last thing I'd want us to do is play a back 4 of Gamez Mbemba Hanley Clark for absolutely no reason like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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