The Managerial Merry Go Round™

[The Merse]

I noticed there was no concern over Rafa's health when he was getting dogs abuse - no hand wringing about his family being collateral damage

[joeyt]

9 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

Think we’ve got every right to point out the double standards after the majority of the media and other club’s fans (Everton included) harp on about our unrealistic expectations when we were criticising Ashley.

Fuck them. Nobody showed us any sympathy, still have people telling us every day how wrong we were.

 

It's incredibly simple to laugh at the Everton fans for protesting just because they've spent a load of money though

 

I didn't say anything about the media

[Dokko]

Roy must fucking love football. Either that  or his wife hates him. Fair play him coming back (again) to have another pop at it. Don't know of a person who clearly loves the game as much as him and Bobby. 

 

 

Hope he does shit though.

[The Bonk]

1 hour ago, Kimbo said:

I don’t think I’ve ever watched Everton play in Europe.

 

Remember watching them tumble out of the CL early on under Moyes, when Everton were more tolerable. 

[midds]

Everton is a strange one. Moshiri has pumped about half a billion into them over the last few years, struggle to see what more he could have done realistically. That cash was squandered by a number of people, they are the ones who need to feel the blast, not the one who trusted them to spend it. Moshiri should be last in line to get the shit.

[Amir_9]

I fucking hate them. Long may it continue.

[The Prophet]

Apparently Pereira hasn't impressed Everton by giving Sky an exclusive interview earlier

[The Prophet]

Moshiri is a perfect example of how it can go wrong if you don't put the correct structures and people in place. He's too busy doing favours for agents and the like.

[James]

1 hour ago, midds said:

Everton is a strange one. Moshiri has pumped about half a billion into them over the last few years, struggle to see what more he could have done realistically. That cash was squandered by a number of people, they are the ones who need to feel the blast, not the one who trusted them to spend it. Moshiri should be last in line to get the shit.

Channel 4 did a piece on him a few years ago. None of the money is his they claimed - he was just a puppet - and now it seems the puppetmaster has lost interest.

[Geogaddi]

10 hours ago, joeyt said:

 

On shite players though

 

Surely we aren't in any position to criticise other fans protesting against their owners

We criticised Ashley for having no ambition and hardly spending any money , the Everton bloke has done the exact opposite , fair enough it’s been spent on shite but that’s totally different to having no ambition and trying to improve the club. Everton fans are basically protesting at a bloke that has spent millions trying to improve them . Imagine how they would act if Ashley had been the owner .

 

 

Edited January 27, 2022 by Geogaddi

[Clockwork Cheese]

9 hours ago, The Bonk said:

 

Remember watching them tumble out of the CL early on under Moyes, when Everton were more tolerable. 

 

Villareal side with Riquelme, Forlan, Senna knocked them out in Qualifiers - then went on to the Semis. 

 

They were an embarrassment in the EL in 2017; Atalanta smashed them 3-0 at home, then schooled them 5-1 at Goodison. Lost to Lyon 3-0 and 2-1, only managed to beat Limassol! 

 

 

Edited January 27, 2022 by Clockwork Cheese

[Guest neesy111]

I find it weird people just laughing at Everton for any reason, we should be ensuring we are learning lessons on making sure we don't follow the same path as them as it could happen with a few wrong appointments etc.

[Guest]

So far so good though? Think the issue with Everton's owners is they'd have probably spent the £100-110m for Carlos & Botman for example. We're so far not doing that.

[Hanshithispantz]

I find the Everton hate all round a bit overboard like 

 

[Guest]

I think we only hate them because they hate us, like.

[Jaqen]

 

 

1 hour ago, Geogaddi said:

We criticised Ashley for having no ambition and hardly spending any money , the Everton bloke has done the exact opposite , fair enough it’s been spent on shite but that’s totally different to having no ambition and trying to improve the club. Everton fans are basically protesting at a bloke that has spent millions trying to improve them . Imagine how they would act if Ashley had been the owner .

 

 

 

 

Their last two managerial appointments have been Ancelotti and Rafa as well. The latter was a bit misguided giving the Liverpool connection but they've definitely not lacked ambition. 

 

Whilst they've wasted money they brought in a fair bit of quality as well. Having your most expensive signing unable to play for noncing hasn't helped, like. 

[Clockwork Cheese]

Totally forgot Sigurdsson even existed!

 

Never a £50M odd signing though, couldn't believe they paid Swansea that at the time. That was the window were it all started to go to shit for them real quick - buying three players that wanted to play 10 as well as Sandro that was awful. 

[joeyt]

2 hours ago, Geogaddi said:

We criticised Ashley for having no ambition and hardly spending any money , the Everton bloke has done the exact opposite , fair enough it’s been spent on shite but that’s totally different to having no ambition and trying to improve the club. Everton fans are basically protesting at a bloke that has spent millions trying to improve them . Imagine how they would act if Ashley had been the owner .

 

 

 

So Everton fans should just suck it up and not protest because he's spent money despite their club being a laughing stock? Man Utd fans protest and the Glazers have spent money, are they wrong to do that?

 

It would be like Bury fans saying we shouldn't have protested against Ashley

[leffe186]

13 hours ago, Anderson said:

 

Should be European nights   they've only ever won 2 European Cup matches in their history (50 years ago), including qualifiers.  

To be fair, they’ve already been denied European nights that they should have had due to their arch-rivals killing some guys. To be even fairer, they also should have been relegated on more than one occasion.

 

if they go down this year it will be hilarious. Can’t see it, but one can dream.

[Kid Icarus]

2 minutes ago, ManDoon said:

Go on their forum and you’ll change your mind. 

 

'First they came for Leeds and I did nothing, because I don't like Leeds'

 

You could say the same about here, or RTG, or any forum. OTT Tribalism's killing any fan solidarity, in the same way it's happening in wider society. Clubs being ruined left right and centre, with fans of other clubs going 'lol, fuck you' either not realising or not caring that they're on the same menu.

[Dr.Spaceman]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

'First they came for Leeds and I did nothing, because I don't like Leeds'

 

You could say the same about here, or RTG, or any forum. OTT Tribalism's killing any fan solidarity, in the same way it's happening in wider society. Clubs being ruined left right and centre, with fans of other clubs going 'lol, fuck you' either not realising or not caring that they're on the same menu.

 

You've got to be a special kind of bell-end to laugh in the face of any fan who's witnessed / witnessing their club being destroyed. Everton's club is not being destroyed, they're going through a rough patch and will no doubt come out the other side absolutely fine. Even if they're relegated in the next year or so they'll do what we did, bounce straight back and still have a club to support.

 

What happened at Leeds is completely different.

[Colos Short and Curlies]

For me Everton are in the awkward position where they are not big enough to just spend there way through a changing landscape but are too big and established to quickly react to it, and are therefore finding themselves lost.

 

The likes of Brighton have adopted a fresh approach to how to structure a club and are able to take a punt on players as their expectations have been low interms of final position (even a relegation and quick re promotion wouldn't hurt them). They are thriving compared to recent years performance.

 

Wolves took on a structure with a major agent driving activity, its worked.

 

Leicester, say no more.

 

Then the likes of City and Chelsea just buy the best to keep ahead.

 

Man Utd have fallen behind in structure but have/had enough in the bank to just about keep up.

 

Palace, Arsenal, Spurs to varying degrees are treading water

 

Everton, Us (although that was by design in many ways) have not adapted with the times. Ashley went for a minimalist approach, Everton have thrown money at a problem without addressing the real core of the club. The money has run out and they have no strategic direction. They are in real danger of going down, and even if they survive it will take a stroke of genius/ big balls or a series of lucky strikes to turn it around. 

[Kid Icarus]

2 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

You've got to be a special kind of bell-end to laugh in the face of any fan who's witnessed / witnessing their club being destroyed. Everton's club is not being destroyed, they're going through a rough patch and will no doubt come out the other side absolutely fine. Even if they're relegated in the next year or so they'll do what we did, bounce straight back and still have a club to support.

 

What happened at Leeds is completely different.

 

I agree that the situations are different, but I think they're just a variation on the same theme of clubs being ruined in a variety of ways. I'd argue Man United is being ruined as well, in a completely different way again.

We were ruined in a completely different way to all of those clubs and had the same 'but Leeds/Portsmouth/Bury!' thrown at us as a reason why our complaints were somehow illegitimate, so I completely support the Everton fans for being pissed off over their club's version of mismanagement. I also wouldn't take those banners or their forum as a fan litmus test in the same way I wouldn't want other fans to do the same with Steve Wraith or the 'buoycott' protesters. 

I might be a bit bias though, my grandad was a proper salt of the earth scouser 

[sixx]

Just looked through who Everton have signed the last few seasons. Dear me. Looks like they spent almost 100 million on Iwobi, Walcott and Gbamin (who?). You can't really fault them for trying. They've also had two managers recently in the world class bracket but fuck me their recruitment is abysmal. Really seems they have a preference in buying from other PL clubs. 

[Kid Icarus]

1 minute ago, ManDoon said:

I mean yeah but if there is no tribalism in football what is the point? I personally wouldn't care if Sunderland went into admin. Their support on the whole is gross to me, so I’m not arsed.
 

Same way I don’t think we need ‘solidarity’ with Everton when they’ve spent the last ten years telling anyone who will listen that we are “deluded. I agreed with the Man U and Arsenal protests but fuck taking the high road with them. Find them in the wild on any r/soccer post about Newcastle. 

There's tribalism and piss taking and then there's what you're saying there, which is the part that I think is OTT and what I'm getting at. I've said this so many times, but we complain about how we're misrepresented by other fans and the media then go and do exactly the same thing about other clubs and their fans because we've decided they're all gross because of RTG or that they're getting what they deserve because you've seen it on Reddit.

I just think it's very hypocritical and is getting more and more widespread across the fanbases. Fans resort to that sort of tribalism, or resort to arguing amongst themselves while these owners are ruining the game we all love.