Froggy Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 12 hours ago, HUGZ said: Leeds fans are gutted, which should tell us everything we need to know. We were gutted when Ole went... It doesn't tell you anything other than how popular he was with the fans. I know a few Leeds fans personally. They didn't WANT him to go, but felt he HAD to go. They've just broken the record for most goals conceded in a month in the shortest month of the year. They've conceded 60 goals and there's 12 games left. He's a good coach who gets vastly overrated because he has a style that is kind on the eye and because he is an eccentric character. A lot of people state he's done a great job because he took Leeds up and had them mid table in their first season back. Paul Jewell did that with Wigan in 2006, Steve Coppell did it with Reading in 2007, Tony Pulis did it with Stoke in 2009, Alex McLeish did it with Birmingham in 2010, Brendan Rodgers and Paul Lambert did it with Swansea and Norwich in 2012, Rafa did it with yourselves in 2018, Nuno did it with Wolves in 2019 and even Chris Wilder did it with Sheffield United in 2020. Its not a special achievement. It's a recurring theme that a lot of newly promoted clubs play out of their skin in their first year in the Premier League. You need to solidify the club as a Premier League side, something he has failed to do. He has never had a plan B. Man United have struggled in recent years and you always looked forward to playing Leeds under Bielsa. It felt like the most winnable game of the season. There's still a love in going on around him now despite him being sacked. I find it completely baffling to be honest. The media still praises him yet suggests Benitez is done after his Everton stint when Benitez is a far superior coach to Bielsa in every way except aesthetically. He's ultimately not good enough to manage at the top level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Bimpy474 said: And yet he's only lost 1 league game in 14, strange old game innit. Yes. To say he's doing a terrible job is absolutely batshit mental and quite frankly hilarious. We've been incredibly unlucky in many of the draws as well. The way we're playing is night and day compared to the first half of the season. FWIW only City have won more points than us since Rangnick took over. Terrible job indeed. Edited February 27, 2022 by Froggy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big River Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, Froggy said: We were gutted when Ole went... It doesn't tell you anything other than how popular he was with the fans. impressive how you can always bring the conversation back to being about you. loads of Man Utd fans wanted Ole out. same can’t be said for Bielsa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, HUGZ said: impressive how you can always bring the conversation back to being about you. loads of Man Utd fans wanted Ole out. same can’t be said for Bielsa. You should have a look at their forum matching on together. Overwhelming majority wanted him out before & after their game yesterday Edited February 27, 2022 by gdm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Spoke to my Leeds friend this morning, who has very mixed feelings on it. Bielsa is loved by the majority, but he recognised that they're too open. Doubts if anyone can come in at this stage and make much of a difference. Personally think it's a shame if they get relegated instead of Burnley or Watford for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, HUGZ said: impressive how you can always bring the conversation back to being about you. loads of Man Utd fans wanted Ole out. same can’t be said for Bielsa. Absolutely not about me, just giving an extremely similar comparison which counteracts your point. And the same absolutely can be said about Bielsa. You're just wrong, and that's OK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, gdm said: You should have a look at their forum matching on together. Overwhelming majority wanted him out before & after their game yesterday Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 6 hours ago, Kaizero said: I desperately want to see Kjetil Knutsen manage a bigger club to see if he truly is a miracle worker or if his magic is a right club at the right time type of magic or proper magic. I've seen you post about him before and was curious so went to see his achievements. Really quite incredible what he has done with Bodo and the results against Roma and to a lesser degree Celtic have opened some eyes. I'd be interested to see him take a job in England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Jesse Marsch? Jesse Darsch is more like it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big River Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 9 minutes ago, gdm said: You should have a look at their forum matching on together. Overwhelming majority wanted him out before & after their game yesterday ah well in that case. overwhelming majority of our fans think Schar is left footed, would be good as a DM, and Murphy should play RB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Not having a go at you either BTW @HUGZ I've just genuinely never understood the incredibly high opinion of him. Wasn't meaning to take it back to Man United either just expressing what I felt was an honest comparison. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 14 minutes ago, HUGZ said: ah well in that case. overwhelming majority of our fans think Schar is left footed, would be good as a DM, and Murphy should play RB. Awful take. Everyone knows Schar would be a brilliant CAM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffJ Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 10 minutes ago, HUGZ said: ah well in that case. overwhelming majority of our fans think Schar is left footed, would be good as a DM, and Murphy should play RB. Online forums, a true representation of a fan base Got a few mates who are home and away match going Leeds fans and are absolutely gutted, said mass majority have done nothing but back Bielsa. Not many of those online fans calling for Bielsa’s head seemed to go to games it would seem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, JeffJ said: Online forums, a true representation of a fan base Erm... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, JeffJ said: Online forums, a true representation of a fan base Got a few mates who are home and away match going Leeds fans and are absolutely gutted, said mass majority have done nothing but back Bielsa. Not many of those online fans calling for Bielsa’s head seemed to go to games it would seem. Apart from those that booed him off yesterday? Media reports say it was evident. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley17 Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 I see a lot of similarities in the relationship between Bielsa and Leeds as with Rafa and us. He just got it and was loads better than his predecessors. The Leeds fans I know are gutted, at least Marsch is quite a respectable choice as opposed to where we went next Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, joeyt said: He got them up after making the playoffs and then winning the league comfortably. No other manager at Leeds had done that since they were relegated He then kept them up comfirtably last season and was on course to do the same this season until the last few weeks He got two Leeds players into the England squad too. I'm not sure how that's a 'half done job'? He got them up eventually. His first season ended in a disappointment considering how well they started. I'm sure had this happened to Rafa, we would have been annoyed at him. What's the point in comparing him to previous Leeds managers anyway? It's about the players he has/had for selection and how he manages them. He achieved promotion at the second attempt, yes. Last season he also did well, but so what? Again, it wasn't necessarily unexpected. He had decent players. Also everyone knows promoted teams can overachieve until the second season syndrome comes about. If you look back on his managerial career, you will surely notice themes of huge promise but not many significant achievements - apart from great football and dissemination of great philosophy. But people talk about him almost like he's one of the elites. He's a good manager but is overrated and this largely down to the 'halo effect', frankly. BTW, Nigel Pearson knew and influenced Vardy towards England selection - so what? Edited February 27, 2022 by Dinho lad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 20 minutes ago, Froggy said: Not having a go at you either BTW @HUGZ I've just genuinely never understood the incredibly high opinion of him. Wasn't meaning to take it back to Man United either just expressing what I felt was an honest comparison. You loved Ole. Why would anyone take your opinion seriously? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Not quite sure how anyone goes in there and manages to completely reverse the entire culture and philosophy of Bielsa in a dozen games. They're clearly wide open and shipping goals hand over fist and stopping that detracts from everything he stood for and believed in. Changing that in a few weeks? Nah they're fucked even if Bamford and Phillips come back soon. They were a joy to watch and very very entertaining which appealed to neutrals and they rightly got heaps of praise. People wanted to watch their games, they were popular and Bielsa was a character. Neutrals engaged but for one reason or another, probably injuries to key players, it's fallen apart and he can't rectify it. Whoever comes in next is on a hiding to nothing and will take them down imo. Long way back after that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Football is theatre and Bielsa is a character as he’s unique, not cut from any particular mold but his own. I love watching him pace the sidelines, perched on a cooler, with his naff beanie and trackie, so entrenched in the game unfolding in front of him. Leeds are a big club, who sank too low given their history and Bielsa was a focal point in their resurrection. I want them in the league, but obviously not at our expense and hope to see Mad Marcelo back with another club in the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 It's a huge shame he's gone from the PL. I think Leeds fans should be very unhappy with their board tbh, they signed no one in January to bolster their squad in spite of the injuries that they've had this year. Bamford and especially Phillips have been enormous losses. No effort made to bring in back up to them. Results and performances in isolation though probably meant he had to go. 20 goals conceded in a month, man. That's shocking. Anyway, not arsed who goes down as long as its a team not called Newcastle United but I'd rather Leeds stayed up. As dislikable as they are or can be, the PL is better with a Leeds United in than a Watford, Brentford or Burnley. That's probably me just wanting to see most of the clubs from 1992-2004 back in the PL, but still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 33 minutes ago, Dinho lad said: He got them up eventually. His first season ended in a disappointment considering how well they started. I'm sure had this happened to Rafa, we would have been annoyed at him. What's the point in comparing him to previous Leeds managers anyway? It's about the players he has/had for selection and how he manages them. He achieved promotion at the second attempt, yes. Last season he also did well, but so what? Again, it wasn't necessarily unexpected. He had decent players. Also everyone knows promoted teams can overachieve until the second season syndrome comes about. If you look back on his managerial career, you will surely notice themes of huge promise but not many significant achievements - apart from great football and dissemination of great philosophy. But people talk about him almost like he's one of the elites. He's a good manager but is overrated and this largely down to the 'halo effect', frankly. BTW, Nigel Pearson knew and influenced Vardy towards England selection - so what? What's the point in comparing him to previous Leeds managers? He had decent players last season, does he not get credit for that? Where were Phillips and Bamford before Bielsa turned them into England internationals? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, joeyt said: What's the point in comparing him to previous Leeds managers? He had decent players last season, does he not get credit for that? Where were Phillips and Bamford before Bielsa turned them into England internationals? Yeah, I find comparing Bielsa to anyone is a stretch, he’s non conventional. Situationally, there might be a case there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 48 minutes ago, TRon said: You loved Ole. Why would anyone take your opinion seriously? Yes, I thought very highly of a club legend. Bizarre behaviour that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 11 minutes ago, Froggy said: Yes, I thought very highly of a club legend. Bizarre behaviour that. I'd like to see Steve Bruce put that thought process to the test. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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