The Managerial Merry Go Round™ - Will Still Southampton manager

[brummie]

Jamie O'Hara sticking up for Gerrard in true English-manager-worship mode

 

“It actually really annoyed me. It annoyed me because they obviously downed tools for Gerrard. Look, Aston Villa are a good team with some good players. But it annoyed me that the energy and performance they put in is kind of where you need to look at yourselves then as players,” O’Hara said on TalkSPORT.

“The mentality within the group, because you’ve obviously showed that you downed tools for Gerrard and his coaching staff, and that’s not right. Gerrard did everything he could to try and get results and when you look at it, nothing much changed massively, it was just the effort changed.”

 

So, basically it was because they didn't like Gerrard.

 

Nothing to do with Danks dropping players out of form, players who Gerrard never dropped, and nothing to do with him playing 4231, which we've been begging Gerrard to play for ages, yet he never ever changed things.

[Abacus]

You could predict that kind of response to the letter once Villa bounced back.

 

"The players need to take a long hard look at themselves" type of comment.

 

It's from the usual pundits who will just put everything down to 'heart' and 'desire', as if a manager's only job is to throw in a few soundbites ten minutes before a match and then give it over to the players.

 

Just like with Bruce, there are too many people who are either his mates or had predicted he'd be a success and so now either can't or won't admit they were wrong.

 

I watched Gerrard's last game in charge, looked at how disorganised Villa looked, watched him on the touchline staring cluelessly, and then listened to his cliche ridden press conference after. The parallels with Bruce were incredible.

 

It's even more frustrating when they ignore the views of the thousands of fans who watch every week, follow their team through thick and thin, know their players and spend their days thinking about the team and tactics, debating it with their friends etc.

 

But no, they're all wrong and deluded, and you should listen to whatever half sentence the likes of Gabby Agbonlahor manages to string together that day instead.

[Emotic]

I'm a little bit torn that the rise of modern, hardworking, thinking-man's-managers like Potter and Howe is coinciding with the obvious failures of PFMs like CabbageHeed and Stevie Me. On the one hand, the clueless "pashun-driven" PFMs will no longer be able to con as many cycles of grift that the past two decades afforded Bruce. On the other hand, somebody will then have to provide entertainment whilst taking their clubs into and around the relegation spots.

[Deuce]

Wouldn’t worry too much. There will always be football grifters. 

[54]

 

[jack j]

That will end in tears

Woodgate back as first team coach as well. Only 2 year since they sacked him

 

 

Edited October 24, 2022 by jack j

[SUPERTOON]

Woodgate back ? never ceases to amaze me how coaches/managers can do an absolute shit job and continue to be employed 

[Guest]

Emery to Villa?

[Donut]

Good ebening...

[HaydnNUFC]

 

[midds]

He'll tell them tomorrow...

[cubaricho]

That would be too awesome to watch a Howe coached NUFC team smack four past them in Emery’s first or second match there.  

[SUPERTOON]

Cracking appointment for them if it happens. 
 

He can help take points from our top 4 rivals 

[gbandit]

If he does go, you have to think that a decent part of it will be motivated by regret at a missed opportunity here. He clearly wants to succeed in the premier league and he’s probably not in line for a top four club. The kind of clubs he could have gone to would have been us or Leicester, and now West Ham or Villa but the best opportunity by a mile out of those was us. Hopefully he goes to Villa and takes some points off our rivals like Supertoon says 

[Scotty66]

There's absolutely no way Emery could have done what Howe has with our squad. Emery seems to be very "I'm the boss and you do what I say" whereas Howe is more of a team mate while still holding authority. 

 

Definitely dodged a bullet and his past experience in the League with Arsenal wasn't great at all. 

[FinnMag]

Emery is poor mans Conte I actually think we dodge the bullet…

[Ikon]

No way he would have done what Howe has done here. I didn’t even think Howe would do this amazingly well. 
 

However, let’s not kid ourselves, on paper Emery is a cracking appointment. I wanted him more than Howe (back then). Super fecking happy how things have turned out ?

[54]

Emery was probably my first "realistic" choice last year, as he's a  top quality Champions League level manager, that plays pragmatic yet effective football, whose results have spoke for themselves, which it what I thought we needed at the time. Obviously was delighted with Howe and fucking love the man now, but was disappointed when Emery turned us down. 

 

I'm curious what @brummiethoughts are on this appointment, as it sounds like Gerrard just played anti-football which was depressing on the eyes, which was one of the many reasons he got the sack, and the complaints where that Villa have all these attacking players playing a system that focused more on defense (that may be wrong, just what I observed from the outside), however Emery also plays more conservatively and is not a particularly attacking coach that gets teams playing exciting football, so I wonder if them same concerns will be applicable, he's obviously an elite manager, who would actually know what he's doing, whereas Gerrard knew the square sum of fuck all, which will probably make it much easier to swallow, atleast until they go on a bad run.

[Kid Icarus]

I couldn't be more grateful that we didn't get Emery. Not because he's not good, because he is and he was my first choice, but purely because of how much I bot Edward Howe and his style of football.

[Hanshithispantz]

I was canny sick when Emery was the frontrunner like, I wanted  that overtly offensive (Argentinian?) fella who's name I've completely forgot, and who probably would have been terrible.

 

 

[Big River]

1 minute ago, Hanshithispantz said:

I was canny sick when Emery was the frontrunner like, I wanted  that overtly offensive (Argentinian?) fella who's name I've completely forgot, and who probably would have been terrible.

 

#WeRememberFonseca

[Hanshithispantz]

11 minutes ago, 54 said:

Emery was probably my first "realistic" choice last year, as he's a  top quality Champions League level manager, that plays pragmatic yet effective football, whose results have spoke for themselves, which it what I thought we needed at the time. Obviously was delighted with Howe and fucking love the man now, but was disappointed when Emery turned us down. 

 

I'm curious what @brummiethoughts are on this appointment, as it sounds like Gerrard just played anti-football which was depressing on the eyes, which was one of the many reasons he got the sack, and the complaints where that Villa have all these attacking players playing a system that focused more on defense (that may be wrong, just what I observed from the outside), however Emery also plays more conservatively and is not a particularly attacking coach that gets teams playing exciting football, so I wonder if them same concerns will be applicable, he's obviously an elite manager, who would actually know what he's doing, whereas Gerrard knew the square sum of fuck all, which will probably make it much easier to swallow, atleast until they go on a bad run.

Didn't Gerrard want to play attacking  football with his wingbacks pushed right up? He was just shite and had to resort to whatever Villa are now?

[54]

Just now, Hanshithispantz said:

Didn't Gerrard want to play attacking  football with his wingbacks pushed right up? He was just shite and had to resort to whatever Villa are now?

If that was his plan, he's even shitter then I thought he was, as that was not what was happening on the pitch  

 

(Admittedly i've only watched Villa 2/3 times this season, so I could be wrong)

[HaydnNUFC]

 

[STM]

That's an incredible appointment for them. There's an irony that Emery won't get a chance amongst the PFM fan boys, where as Gerrard didn't get enough time.