Ben Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 1 hour ago, 54 said: He has never spent much time at the clubs managed so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 On 14/11/2022 at 18:07, Tiresias said: the people calling for Potter to England don't understand football I mean and I do not mean this at all in a bad way about Potter. Potter at brighton built a brick and mortar system with players all signed to fit the system and all understanding fairly complex tactical demands. You quite simply a) do not get the time to do this with players at international level and b) you are on a hiding for nothing picking players for a specialized system for England as you will get torn apart the first time you don't play the next big thing(tm) who may be in excellent form but doesn't want to press high and recycle possession. Unless we say ok for the next 10 years England play potterball, if you can't play potterball you won't make the england team it makes little sense. And after all that does anyone know if potterball would work at knockout international tournaments? I do want a manager with some level of identity, but I don't think you can have someone who is very very wedded to a particular style, or whose identity is too different than that most players are playing under. I think Howe (and no I don't think he is interested in managing international football) is much better suited, he has not got quite that distinct a style of play and is more about getting intensity out of the players and seems open to changing formation/style. Honestly though, I think you would struggle to find a manager doing well in the premier league who would be hugely interested in the job, international footy management is not going to replace the thrill of taking over a team week in week out. it will go to Potter, the team will have glimpses of good play but be a soft touch and we'll be back to square one and Potter's reputation will be unfairly tarnished. I may be very wrong on Potter, Brighton fans feel free to correct me, I rate him but he feels a guy who needs a while go get going and needs a lot of time to build what he wants. I think Potter is a fairly flexible coach. He's not like Pep where he has such a particular style only 10% of quality players would fit into his systems without some major changes in style. There aren't many recent examples of good managers failing at international football because their systems have been too complex to implement at international level. I think the 2 best sides at Euro 2020 - Spain & Italy, were also the best coached and had the managers with the best club CVs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 Tbf, international football these days is a right shit gig, like. You might as well give it to a Lampard or Gerrard who'll chest thump their way through most of the tournaments without having any sort detailed, long-term, tactical plan as to how they want the squad to play in future. It's hardly as though any other English manager has been able to do the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 Just hear that drug cheat Guardiola provided the courts with a character reference for alleged rapist Mendy. I really don’t get why this abhorrent individual is still lauded Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 5 hours ago, The College Dropout said: I think Potter is a fairly flexible coach. He's not like Pep where he has such a particular style only 10% of quality players would fit into his systems without some major changes in style. There aren't many recent examples of good managers failing at international football because their systems have been too complex to implement at international level. I think the 2 best sides at Euro 2020 - Spain & Italy, were also the best coached and had the managers with the best club CVs. I would argue spain developed a strong identity as a national team and stuck to it and then built their success around core of players in that style. Italy yes strong club coach but also more pragmatic more good at managing egos. And then they imploded in qualifying regardless. I would be more than willing to give Potter a chance at it, and wouldn't be shocked if I was wrong (I think i over egged the pudding in my original post tbh) but I do think he'd be a slightly odd fit. If he got it with scope and authority to shape that's how England play and to get in squad you need to fit in could work with time too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Fair. I don't think he's an extremist coach that can't get his tactics over at INTNL football well the way Pep might struggle. I also don't think he has any short-term ambition at doing that job. Even if he fails at Chelsea, an Aston Villa or West Ham type job would take him and that's a more exciting role for a young manager. It's where you go after Everton that's difficult. We used to be a managerial graveyard like them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 13 hours ago, James said: Just hear that drug cheat Guardiola provided the courts with a character reference for alleged rapist Mendy. I really don’t get why this abhorrent individual is still lauded Well, the key word there I suppose is alleged. Until he’s convicted of something he’s innocent, Id suggest the evidence is in his favour if Pep went public over it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hovagod Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Nine said: Well, the key word there I suppose is alleged. Until he’s convicted of something he’s innocent, Id suggest the evidence is in his favour if Pep went public over it. He gave testimony that amounted to ‘He’s fine with me but I don’t know what he gets up to outside of training.’ He also made it clear that he was there because he had been asked to go. It highlights what a stupid pointless thing character references are during trials and not much else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 14 hours ago, James said: Just hear that drug cheat Guardiola provided the courts with a character reference for alleged rapist Mendy. I really don’t get why this abhorrent individual is still lauded What makes him abhorrent? I don't know loads about him so I'm pretty neutral when it comes to Guardiola. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimburst Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, Hovagod said: He gave testimony that amounted to ‘He’s fine with me but I don’t know what he gets up to outside of training.’ He also made it clear that he was there because he had been asked to go. It highlights what a stupid pointless thing character references are during trials and not much else. If you can't get someone to tell the law that you'd never rape someone, then you're probably a wrongun. Do you have to call your boss or something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 8 minutes ago, Hovagod said: He gave testimony that amounted to ‘He’s fine with me but I don’t know what he gets up to outside of training.’ He also made it clear that he was there because he had been asked to go. It highlights what a stupid pointless thing character references are during trials and not much else. Still the fact he gave testimony at all would suggests they are aware the evidence is in Mendys favour, no chance Pep just makes a blind statement because if he’s convicted it’s awful pr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 14 hours ago, James said: Just hear that drug cheat Guardiola provided the courts with a character reference for alleged rapist Mendy. I really don’t get why this abhorrent individual is still lauded His drug verdict/ban was overturned, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 Big news for Plymouth, he's been touted for every Championship job that's come up this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 Pleased for them, good club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 42 minutes ago, gbandit said: Pleased for them, good club Yeap definitely, I live in Cornwall so am naturally biased, but what they're doing with "Project35" with their sponsors this season is a class act. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Brave Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 1 hour ago, 54 said: Yeap definitely, I live in Cornwall so am naturally biased, but what they're doing with "Project35" with their sponsors this season is a class act. Plymouth is in Devon isn't it ? Do Plymouth have a lot of fans from Cornwall ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 35 minutes ago, Dancing Brave said: Plymouth is in Devon isn't it ? Do Plymouth have a lot of fans from Cornwall ? Yeah, but it's on the border really, and the highest ranked team in Cornwall play in the seventh tier (Truro City), so most people defacto support Plymouth as it's only an hour away from most of Cornwall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 GVB sacked at Rangers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, LFEE said: GVB sacked at Rangers. Wonder if Rafa could be tempted to go there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 That would be depressing for Rafa like, his stock should still be high given his achievements. Wish he hadn’t taken that Everton job Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 It's got to be Dyche hasn't it ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 14 hours ago, 54 said: Wonder if Rafa could be tempted to go there. He's already got a job in Spain I think? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, Nobody said: He's already got a job in Spain I think? That was a verified fake Twitter account. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Duncan Ferguson would be interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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