The Managerial Merry Go Round™

[gazza ladra]

Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

You do have to worry that at some point they’ll appoint someone who’s actually a good manager

Maybe they have. Man Utd seem to turn decent players to shit. Their form immediately picks up as soon as they leave.

[Kid Icarus]

21 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

I do laugh at this. People spent the last 14 months laughing at Amorim saying that he's out of his depth and is very lucky to be in a job. 

 

Now he's sacked and the board are clueless for doing it.  Was it a mistake then? 

Sacking Amorim and them not knowing what they're doing aren't mutually exclusive really.

[Froggy]

11 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Froggy man, what are you defending here? Your board are a joke I'm sure you don't disagree with that. Anorim managed to have a record worst than the Dutch fella before him and was obviously out of his depth. 

 

Firstly, a record worse than the Dutch fella before him?  Again, Ten Hag won two trophies in two years and had a third placed finish. Dream stuff for most clubs.

 

I would agree based on the evidence that Amorim was out of his depth. This happens to a lot of managers. Are you saying the board is a joke because the appointment didn't work out? 

 

I don't think the board is a joke at all, especially based on this decision. Amorim was given money and plenty of time and can have no complaints, especially since there was obviously a disagreement and he immediately made it public which would inevitably lead to things going sour. 

 

I'm just making the point that opposition fans are saying Amorim is rubbish and should be sacked, then as soon as he's sacked they're laughing at the decision to do so. That kind of fickleness is to be expected I suppose, but it's still laughable. 

[r0cafella]

Just now, Froggy said:

 

Firstly, a record worse than the Dutch fella before him?  Again, Ten Hag won two trophies in two years and had a third placed finish. Dream stuff for most clubs.

 

I would agree based on the evidence that Amorim was out of his depth. This happens to a lot of managers. Are you saying the board is a joke because the appointment didn't work out? 

 

I don't think the board is a joke at all, especially based on this decision. Amorim was given money and plenty of time and can have no complaints, especially since there was obviously a disagreement and he immediately made it public which would inevitably lead to things going sour. 

 

I'm just making the point that opposition fans are saying Amorim is rubbish and should be sacked, then as soon as he's sacked they're laughing at the decision to do so. That kind of fickleness is to be expected I suppose, but it's still laughable. 

The Dutch fella you lot (maybe not you personally) but let's bot pretend fan sentiment had long since passed with Ten Haag. A lot of fans wanted gone prior to spending 200m only to sack him a few weeks into the next season. And oh look they've gone and repeated the same trick 12 months later after appointing a manager who can only seemingly play one way. If that isn't incompetence I don't know what is. Oh no I do because our own owners have also shown a fair degree of incompetence too. 

 

My point being, a spade is a spade  

[Froggy]

11 minutes ago, gazza ladra said:

Maybe they have. Man Utd seem to turn decent players to shit. Their form immediately picks up as soon as they leave.

 

McTominay actually did an interview and addressed this. It's a complete myth. For every player that has excelled when leaving the club, I could give you five that disappeared into obscurity. 

 

Hojlund would score a brace against a newly promoted side and it makes headlines, but him scoring 2 goals in the 9 games before that won't.

 

4 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Sacking Amorim and them not knowing what they're doing aren't mutually exclusive really.

 

Of course, but that's the stick people are using to beat them with at the minute. 

[Kid Icarus]

1 hour ago, Froggy said:

I'm just making the point that opposition fans are saying Amorim is rubbish and should be sacked, then as soon as he's sacked they're laughing at the decision to do so. That kind of fickleness is to be expected I suppose, but it's still laughable. 

 

It didn't happen because of results though, but because he fell out with the board.

 

He's been sacked when you finally weren't a complete embarrassment under him. If he'd been sacked after the Grimsby match or at the end of last season no one would bat an eyelid about whether it was warranted or not.

 

Both hiring him in the first place and the context around him being sacked scream incompetence. Poor decision compounded by sticking with him, then when it finally looks like it might work they bin him. I dunno why you would defend it.

 

 

Edited January 6 by Kid Icarus

[Froggy]

3 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

The Dutch fella you lot (maybe not you personally) but let's bot pretend fan sentiment had long since passed with Ten Haag. A lot of fans wanted gone prior to spending 200m only to sack him a few weeks into the next season. And oh look they've gone and repeated the same trick 12 months later after appointing a manager who can only seemingly play one way. If that isn't incompetence I don't know what is. Oh no I do because our own owners have also shown a fair degree of incompetence too. 

 

My point being, a spade is a spade  

 

It was pretty split with Ten Hag, but he still won silverware in both of his seasons. I'm not going to criticise that. The signings made under Ten Hag were players that could be used in any system, and it's the same with Amorim's signings. Cunha, Mbeumo, Sesko etc. all fit perfectly into 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 systems. I'm sure this was deliberate.

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

It was pretty split with Ten Hag, but he still won silverware in both of his seasons. I'm not going to criticise that. The signings made under Ten Hag were players that could be used in any system, and it's the same with Amorim's signings. Cunha, Mbeumo, Sesko etc. all fit perfectly into 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 systems. I'm sure this was deliberate.

I agree it was but we are laughing at your leadership because they've made two huge errors but luckily for you the punishment for such errors is small, we'd be fucked if we made such miss steps. 

[Froggy]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

It didn't happen because of results though, but because he fell out with the board.

 

He's been sacked when you finally weren't a complete embarrassment under him. If he'd been sacked after the Grimsby match or at the end of last season no one would bat an eyelid about whether it was warranted or not.

 

Both hiring him in the first place and the context text around him being sacked scream incompetence. Poor decision compounded by sticking with him, then when it finally looks like it might work they bin him. I dunno why you would defend it.

 

It's going to be a combination of both. I know a lot of fans, including myself this time, looked at this run of fixtures and expected a lot more points. The West Ham, Bournemouth, Wolves and Leeds games are games we should be winning.

 

And even so, if reports are to be believed and Amorim has felt like he wasn't being backed and thrown the head up, doesn't that make his position untenable? He's wanted a midfielder in January and we can't afford it, and he knows we've borrowed money to fund the summer window, so I don't know why he hasn't shown more patience. It's almost like he was looking for a way out this time. "My system works, but they weren't going to give me the players to implement it."

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, Froggy said:

 

It's going to be a combination of both. I know a lot of fans, including myself this time, looked at this run of fixtures and expected a lot more points. The West Ham, Bournemouth, Wolves and Leeds games are games we should be winning.

 

And even so, if reports are to be believed and Amorim has felt like he wasn't being backed and thrown the head up, doesn't that make his position untenable? He's wanted a midfielder in January and we can't afford it, and he knows we've borrowed money to fund the summer window, so I don't know why he hasn't shown more patience. It's almost like he was looking for a way out this time. "My system works, but they weren't going to give me the players to implement it."

I think what's gone on is utterly bizarre. In terms of you seemingly had money for Semenyo (who you don't even need  ) but no money for areas for which you do need. Seems an utter mess. 

[Froggy]

Worth noting The Athletic (Laurie Whitwell, who's as solid as it gets for us), has reported that Amorim was at loggerheads with multiple members of staff, and even had a training ground bust-up with Lisandro Martinez a few weeks ago. It sounds messier than what we were lead to believe.

 

All the big journalists reporting Ole would be happy to come back for 6 months as well. No brainer. Get him back and let us enjoy nailing teams on the counter again. 

[Froggy]

3 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

I think what's gone on is utterly bizarre. In terms of you seemingly had money for Semenyo (who you don't even need  ) but no money for areas for which you do need. Seems an utter mess. 

 

I never believed this for a second. To me this was posturing. There's no room for Semenyo in our squad and come the summer we're likely going to need three new midfielders.

[r0cafella]

3 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

I never believed this for a second. To me this was posturing. There's no room for Semenyo in our squad and come the summer we're likely going to need three new midfielders.

According to Orstein in today's deal sheet. 

 

He's such a fucking Glazer man. 

 

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United never earmarked January to do business, and the pursuit of Antoine Semenyo was viewed as an isolated opportunity; it related to a pre-existing target, who was identified for an area they are still aiming to strengthen (left wing), plus the revelation that his contract included a release clause available in the winter market.

 

[Big River]

Dirty Jim and his cronies are working (unpaid) overtime briefing the press, and here's Froggy lapping it up like the good little boy he is.

[Froggy]

26 minutes ago, Big River said:

Dirty Jim and his cronies are working (unpaid) overtime briefing the press, and here's Froggy lapping it up like the good little boy he is.

 

We know who they brief to.  I'm awaiting those pieces.

 

Whitwell is one of the good guys.

[SteV]

39 minutes ago, Froggy said:

All the big journalists reporting Ole would be happy to come back for 6 months as well. No brainer. Get him back and let us enjoy nailing teams on the counter again.

[Froggy]

1 minute ago, SteV said:

 

Give Ole what he wants now. 100%. And don't sign Ronaldo over Haaland this time. 

[El Prontonise]

Brexit Jim is fucking clueless at almost any sport initiative he touches, long may it continue.

[El Prontonise]

43 minutes ago, Froggy said:

Worth noting The Athletic (Laurie Whitwell, who's as solid as it gets for us), has reported that Amorim was at loggerheads with multiple members of staff, and even had a training ground bust-up with Lisandro Martinez a few weeks ago. It sounds messier than what we were lead to believe.

 

All the big journalists reporting Ole would be happy to come back for 6 months as well. No brainer. Get him back and let us enjoy nailing teams on the counter again. 

 

He's right to be having a go at Martinez, he's absolute bobbins.

[The College Dropout]

I love an endless debate but why debate Froggy?

 

[Elma]

1 hour ago, Froggy said:

 

McTominay actually did an interview and addressed this. It's a complete myth. For every player that has excelled when leaving the club, I could give you five that disappeared into obscurity. 

 

Hojlund would score a brace against a newly promoted side and it makes headlines, but him scoring 2 goals in the 9 games before that won't.

 

 

Of course, but that's the stick people are using to beat them with at the minute. 

 

I think there's some truth in it. Players look better under good coaches and playing in a formation that suits them. For a while now Man U have been employing managers who didn't know how to get the best out of the players they have, and maybe didn't have enough say over who was coming in.

 

It creates a disconnect in the team and with a high churn of managers it's even worse. Chelsea suffering the same to a degree.

 

Emery (for example) is a master of working with what he's got (Eddie's decent at it too). I think Liverpool may have the same problem now as Slot seems to be struggling with the players he's signed/been given.

 

You need to get a coach in who can improve players, give him a say in who comes in, and give him time (2-3 years min). 

[Doctor Zaius]

Whatever manager comes in is going to have to deal with "Well we were 5th when we sacked Amorim" after they inevitably drop a few places. Despite the fact that they weren't going to finish 5th under him. 

 

Reckon they could do worse than than the baby faced cheat.

[Froggy]

5 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

I love an endless debate but why debate Froggy?

 

I know right? These guys just don't know ball.

[toon25]

56 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

According to Orstein in today's deal sheet. 

 

He's such a fucking Glazer man. 

 

 

 

Am sure one of the best attackers in the league would have loved playing left back

[Kid Icarus]

1 hour ago, Froggy said:

 

It's going to be a combination of both. I know a lot of fans, including myself this time, looked at this run of fixtures and expected a lot more points. The West Ham, Bournemouth, Wolves and Leeds games are games we should be winning.

 

And even so, if reports are to be believed and Amorim has felt like he wasn't being backed and thrown the head up, doesn't that make his position untenable? He's wanted a midfielder in January and we can't afford it, and he knows we've borrowed money to fund the summer window, so I don't know why he hasn't shown more patience. It's almost like he was looking for a way out this time. "My system works, but they weren't going to give me the players to implement it."

It does sound like his position became untenable, but allowing it to get to that point is another matter.

 

They were seemingly all in on Amorim and his system despite him showing very little at all, but then also didn't really give him what he claimed to need to get them there.

 

Tbf, I think being all in on him and giving him what he wanted would have also been insane, but it seems like they got into this bizarre situation where they were sticking with him, but not giving him what he claimed to need, not necessarily Neves, but Watkins etc, and alienating him in the process, and then despite him picking up good results and having you in a decent position in a season where nigh on everyone is inconsistent, he gets the sack.