timeEd32 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Am I right that once they appoint a replacement Man United have had more permanent managers than us since Fergie left? And with caretaker/interim nonsense it's quite a few more? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 4 minutes ago, Mountain said: I find him ugly. Fair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 2 hours ago, El Prontonise said: I'm sure froggy was the one saying their results were masking bad performances under Ten-Haag. Don't let him rewrite history on this. He was quite adamant that ETH was doing just as good a job as Eddie and though their year over year declining xG was irrelevant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 15 minutes ago, timeEd32 said: Don't let him rewrite history on this. He was quite adamant that ETH was doing just as good a job as Eddie and though their year over year declining xG was irrelevant. Ten Hag finished third and won two trophies in two years. Of course he did as good a job as Howe. You're the one rewriting history because of how it ended. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 You'd think by now you lads would know that there's only two options with a @Froggy football post: (a) he's trolling, or (b) he's wrong. Embrace inner peace by knowing that one of these options always holds true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 5 hours ago, bobbydazzla said: Can I just shock you. I follow the real league table, it shows where real points have been awarded for real wins and real draws because one real team scored either the same number or a greater number of real goals than the real team they were playing against. It has no flaws. Because it's based on reality. And it's used to allocate prizes at the end of each season. They don't award any prizes at the end of the season based on shoulda, woulda, coulda statistical bollocks. I know there's likely nothing that will stop your crusade against any statistics beyond goals and points, but here's an example of where xG is useful: Manchester United Note: xPts uses xG and xGA 2022/23 Actual Points (Finish): 75 (3rd) Expected Points (Expected Finish): 66 (6th) 2023/24 Actual Points (Finish): 60 (8th) xPTS (Expected Finish): 44 (15th) 2024/25 Actual Points (Finish): 42 (15th) xPTS (Expected Finish): 52 (12th) If all you did was look at the league table for three years you'd be very confused where the 2024/25 season came from, but it had been coming for two years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 2 hours ago, bobbydazzla said: Word of warning.....if you're the Man Utd manager and the Board give you £200m to spend on new players, then it's a sure fire sign that you're getting sacked within a few months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 3 minutes ago, timeEd32 said: I know there's likely nothing that will stop your crusade against any statistics beyond goals and points, but here's an example of where xG is useful: Manchester United Note: xPts uses xG and xGA Seems a bit of a mess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Honestly Froggy seems fine until he's provoked. He's brought up quite a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 2 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said: Honestly Froggy seems fine until he's provoked. He's brought up quite a lot. I’d take Froggy over quite a few posters on here to be fair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 minute ago, cubaricho said: I’d take Froggy over quite a few posters on here to be fair. Absolutely Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 12 minutes ago, timeEd32 said: I know there's likely nothing that will stop your crusade against any statistics beyond goals and points, but here's an example of where xG is useful: Manchester United Note: xPts uses xG and xGA 2022/23 Actual Points (Finish): 75 (3rd) Expected Points (Expected Finish): 66 (6th) 2023/24 Actual Points (Finish): 60 (8th) xPTS (Expected Finish): 44 (15th) 2024/25 Actual Points (Finish): 42 (15th) xPTS (Expected Finish): 52 (12th) If all you did was look at the league table for three years you'd be very confused where the 2024/25 season came from, but it had been coming for two years. The final paragraph is one way of looking at it. The other way of looking at it is that two out of the three years, the data was way off the mark. It doesn't seem useful as a long term metric to me given how much squads change across the league between seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fountain Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 55 minutes ago, Froggy said: Ten Hag finished third and won two trophies in two years. Of course he did as good a job as Howe. You're the one rewriting history because of how it ended. But still sacked him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoob Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) Haven't been paying attention to what has been happening at Celtic but only managing 65% of a Truss is impressive going Edited January 5 by TheHoob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 2 hours ago, Big River said: Celtic manager has been sacked now. he could be a possible candidate for Man Utd. Can't help wonder if Nancy is thinking... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Man U have become the basket case job we were after Keegan...the only way to succeed there now if being as good as Ferguson was Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fountain Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, timeEd32 said: Am I right that once they appoint a replacement Man United have had more permanent managers than us since Fergie left? And with caretaker/interim nonsense it's quite a few more? Since May 2013, we've had Pardew, Carver, McClaren, Benitez, Bruce and Howe (6) They've had Moyes, Van Gaal, Mourinho,Solskjaer, Rangnick, Ten Haag and Amorin (7) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 32 minutes ago, The Fountain said: But still sacked him Because we started going backwards. Doesn't erase what he achieved in his first two seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, Andy said: You'd think by now you lads would know that there's only two options with a @Froggy football post: (a) he's trolling, or (b) he's wrong. Embrace inner peace by knowing that one of these options always holds true. There's no fun in that Andy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) 1 hour ago, timeEd32 said: I know there's likely nothing that will stop your crusade against any statistics beyond goals and points, but here's an example of where xG is useful: Manchester United Note: xPts uses xG and xGA 2022/23 Actual Points (Finish): 75 (3rd) Expected Points (Expected Finish): 66 (6th) 2023/24 Actual Points (Finish): 60 (8th) xPTS (Expected Finish): 44 (15th) 2024/25 Actual Points (Finish): 42 (15th) xPTS (Expected Finish): 52 (12th) If all you did was look at the league table for three years you'd be very confused where the 2024/25 season came from, but it had been coming for two years. No I wouldn’t be confused. In the real world they dropped from 3rd to 8th, then from 8th to 15th. And their league points declined in a similar way too. It’s a pretty consistent decline and not a rollercoaster. And in the real world during that time they had a pair of managers who were clearly out of their depth and a toxic squad of overpaid underperforming players. All overseen by a Board lurching from one shite decision to another. Edited January 5 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 51 minutes ago, Andy said: The final paragraph is one way of looking at it. The other way of looking at it is that two out of the three years, the data was way off the mark. It doesn't seem useful as a long term metric to me given how much squads change across the league between seasons. That can happen as there can be many good reasons that a team consistently over or under performs their xG and xGA. Not sure that applied to Man United though, especially after 2022/23. It's actually more useful as a long term metric than looking at individual games, but to your point you can't just look at it blindly. Even a single player (e.g. an elite goal keeper or goal scorer could shift things a lot). But with the same manager and roughly the same squad it can be quite informative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 23 minutes ago, Froggy said: Because we started going backwards. Doesn't erase what he achieved in his first two seasons. You would have won more trophy’s and been better now if you hadn’t sacked ten Haag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 7 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: No I wouldn’t be confused. In the real world they dropped from 3rd to 8th, then from 8th to 15th. And their league points declined in a similar way too. It’s a pretty consistent decline and not a rollercoaster. And in the real world during that time they had a pair of managers who were clearly out of their depth and a toxic squad of overpaid underperforming players. All overseen by a Board lurching from one shite decision to another. Well yes, that is easy to look at now. When they finished 3rd and won the LC did you think they'd regress in 2023/24? And then again in 2024/25? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Each ridiculous decision that club makes just seems to compound the failure even more. Misplaced loyalty to some followed by generous backing followed by complete (relative) failure, followed by choosing another dud, hiring dodgy DoFs only to have to turf them out month later, replacing the last failure with someone even worse, backing them with a quarter of a billion only for the new DoF to fall out with them and sack the replacement's replacement. That club is a fucking shambles, a complete mess from the very top to the very bottom It's fucking delightful watching it collapse and burn to the ground. Again. And again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) Any guesses on who's next? Nuno seems precarious and a loss against Forest sees him get the bullet IMO. Slot making a total arse of the big spending season at the dippers. Parker could go at any time really. Cockney Rhyming Slang Name Tommy Frank at Spurs probably a couple of bad results from the tin tack. Palace manager seemingly raging at their board and not signed a new deal. Leicester and West Brom play tonight and they're both having a shitter of a season, could also see that Southampton guy potted soon. 2026 been a right laugh so far. Long may it continue. Edited January 5 by Pilko Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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