The Managerial Merry Go Round™

[Kid Icarus]

15 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

By that metric how many times has Howe been able to beat Iraola, despite having far greater resources at his disposal?

The claim is that Howe is only good enough for Bournemouth or Everton.

 

And it's twice. The managers he has poor records against (and it can be argued shouldn't) are much more specific and therefore cherry-picked than the ones he has good records against. It's a conscious choice to make. 

[Wallsendmag]

9 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

The claim is that Howe is only good enough for Bournemouth or Everton.

 

And it's twice. The managers he has poor records against (and it can be argued shouldn't) are much more specific and therefore cherry-picked than the ones he has good records against. It's a conscious choice to make. 

 

Genuinely can't think of the 2 occasions he's beaten Iraola.

[TK-421]

7 hours ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Genuinely can't think of the 2 occasions he's beaten Iraola.

 

He/we beat Rayo Vallecano 2-1 in a mid-season friendly, December 2022 when Iraola was manager there, and then this season we beat Bournemouth on pens in the cup after it finished 3-3.

 

[Menace]

[Robster]

This is all getting a little silly now.

 

Howe is now well proven in the PL over multiple seasons.

Iraola is yet to be proven long term. He may prove himself but so far, too early to tell.

[Wallsendmag]

12 minutes ago, Robster said:

This is all getting a little silly now.

 

Howe is now well proven in the PL over multiple seasons.

Iraola is yet to be proven long term. He may prove himself but so far, too early to tell.

 

I don't remember Keegan or Robson being well proven in the Premier League over multiple seasons either. Away from us I can't remember Mourinho, Wenger, Klopp or Guardiola being well proven in the Premier League either before they took up their respective posts at Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Man City.

 

Maybe we should just go for "Premier League ready" managers then.

[Kid Icarus]

16 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

I don't remember Keegan or Robson being well proven in the Premier League over multiple seasons either. Away from us I can't remember Mourinho, Wenger, Klopp or Guardiola being well proven in the Premier League either before they took up their respective posts at Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Man City.

 

Maybe we should just go for "Premier League ready" managers then.

Terrible argument, not least because it's the same argument you ignore when it's suggested that clubs above us might be looking at Howe.  

 

Wenger is a valid pick, the rest, howeh man, no one's taking that seriously when you're picking treble, champions league, big 5 league winning managers.

 

The Robson pick is bizarre as well, he was in the top flight with Ipswich for a decade, finishing in the top 2, 3 or 4 multiple times and winning the UEFA Cup and FA Cup.

 

And Keegan came in when we were bottom of Division 1. I doubt even you would be on board with bringing in an ex-player legend who'd never managed before when the bar to get over isn't survival in the championship, but 2 CL qualifications, a cup win, a cup final, a semi final, 2 quarters etc.

 

 

Edited April 15 by Kid Icarus

[Robster]

I thought we were only talking about the utter confidence some people have that Iraola is a step up from Eddie?

 

You're right like, Guardiola was a massive risk for Man City.

[Wallsendmag]

3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Terrible argument, not least because it's the same argument you ignore when it's suggested that clubs above us might be looking at Howe.  

 

Wenger is a valid pick, the rest, howeh man, no one's taking that seriously when you're picking treble, champions league, big 5 league winning managers.

 

The Robson pick is bizarre as well, he was in the top flight with Ipswich for a decade, finishing in the top 2, 3 or 4 multiple times and winning the UEFA Cup and FA Cup.

 

And Keegan came in when we were bottom of Division 1. I doubt even you would be on board with bringing in an ex-player legend who'd never managed before when the bar to get over is 2 CL qualifications, a cup win, a cup final, a semi final, 2 quarters etc.

 

Read his post again before jumping in with 2 feet man 

 

He clearly states well proven in the Premier League as if it makes such a massive differencewhich is what I was addressing as it doesn't. Wenger came from Japan, Mourinho had only managed in Portugal, Klopp only in Germany. Guardiola had more high end experience but zero in the Premier League.

[r0cafella]

5 minutes ago, Robster said:

I thought we were only talking about the utter confidence some people have that Iraola is a step up from Eddie?

 

You're right like, Guardiola was a massive risk for Man City.

At this stage, we just need someone who can actually achieve where our budget is, weather that's Eddie or someone else I don't know. 

 

 

[Kid Icarus]

1 minute ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Read his post again before jumping in with 2 feet man 

 

He clearly states well proven in the Premier League as if it makes such a massive differencewhich is what I was addressing as it doesn't. Wenger came from Japan, Mourinho had only managed in Portugal, Klopp only in Germany. Guardiola had more high end experience but zero in the Premier League.

Yeah and he didn't say that non-PL experience was invalid, he was saying that he's proven himself at this level in the PL whereas Iriola hasn't yet. You've taken that and strawmanned it into one where he's implying that non-PL experience is invalid.

[Wallsendmag]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

Yeah and he didn't say that non-PL experience was invalid, he was saying that he's proven himself at this level in the PL whereas Iriola hasn't yet. You've taken that and strawmanned it into one where he's implying that non-PL experience is invalid.

 

Again what does it matter? Had Howe proved himself at this level in the Premier League before he arrived here? Had any of the other examples?

 

Absolutely nonsensical argument.

[Keegans Export]

I think it's fair to say that Iraola has proven himself in the Premier League, at the very least he's probably a bit above average.

 

He hasn't proven his ability to manage multiple competitions (ie domestic & European) and that's the biggest question mark around both him and Howe in terms of getting the very top jobs imo.

[Kid Icarus]

1 minute ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Again what does it matter? Had Howe proved himself at this level in the Premier League before he arrived here? Had any of the other examples?

 

Absolutely nonsensical argument.

 

It matters because on one hand we have: actual proof at that level.

 

And the other hand we have: 'well he might prove himself, we don't know! Look at all these other managers!'

 

Which would be fair enough on its own, but when the argument that's being put forward is that Iriola is a step up from Howe, is flat out mental.

 

Honestly man.

[Wallsendmag]

Just now, Kid Icarus said:

 

It matters because on one hand we have: actual proof at that level.

 

And the other hand we have: 'well he might prove himself, we don't know! Look at all these other managers!'

 

Which would be fair enough on its own, but when the argument that's being put forward is that Iriola is a step up from Howe, is flat out mental.

 

Honestly man.

 

Aye mate no way should we be discounting every single manager who hasn't proved himself in the Premier League over X amount of games when the time comes to choose a new one 

 

Iraola might be a step up. He might not. He might not be able to work with a massive budget (Howe couldn't last summer) and may be suited to a Bournemouth type job. On the other hand he might. That's the beauty of football. You don't know until you try it.

 

What I do know is that with a fraction of the money at his disposal and continuously losing his best players, I prefer watching his style of football, but that's just personal preference.

[andyc35i]

I just can’t see a scenario where we sack Eddie and then replace him with Iriola - it just won’t happen. The board won’t see him as a next level replacement so will prefer to stick with Eddie. Now if Eddie decides to resign, then I could see this happening. I think Iriola ends up at Man Utd

 

 

Edited April 15 by andyc35i

[Kid Icarus]

Just now, Wallsendmag said:

 

Aye mate no way should we be discounting every single manager who hasn't proved himself in the Premier League over X amount of games when the time comes to choose a new one 

 

Iraola might be a step up. He might not. He might not be able to work with a massive budget (Howe couldn't last summer) and may be suited to a Bournemouth type job. On the other hand he might. That's the beauty of football. You don't know until you try it.

 

What I do know is that with a fraction of the money at his disposal and continuously losing his best players, I prefer watching his style of football, but that's just personal preference.

None of what you're saying there is controversial, I don't think anyone would disagree with that.

 

What they and I would disagree with though is the claim that Iriola is a step up from Howe.

[Wallsendmag]

1 minute ago, andyc35i said:

I just can’t see a scenario where we sack Eddie and then replace him with Iriola - it just won’t happen. The board won’t see him as a next level replacement so will prefer to stick with Eddie. Now if Eddie decides to resign, then I could see this happening. I think Iriola ends up at Man Utd

 

 

 

 

Discounting Carrick who would be a massive mistake for them I think, Iraola is the 4/1 favourite to be their next manager. I do think he'd be a good fit for them. Plays attacking front foot football and I'd like to see how he'd work with a budget rather than regularly losing his best talents.

[SUPERTOON]

Iraola’s next move will be interesting, find out how good he is, or was the set up at Bournemouth just the right environment for him. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I’m fairly sure Carrick will stay at Manchester. 

[Robster]

11 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I’m fairly sure Carrick will stay at Manchester. 

Here's hoping.

[GeordieDazzler]

1 hour ago, SUPERTOON said:

Iraola’s next move will be interesting, find out how good he is, or was the set up at Bournemouth just the right environment for him. 

He's going to Bilbao I think 

[bobbydazzla]

Imagine Eddie resigns at the end of the season, says he's had enough of football and wants to focus on opening up a cracking owl sanctuary in Norfolk.

 

There's no bad feeling from any party, it's just the end of an era. 

 

How do the militant Howe-in people think they'd feel about that ?

 

 

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, bobbydazzla said:

Imagine Eddie resigns at the end of the season, says he's had enough of football and wants to focus on opening up a cracking owl sanctuary in Norfolk.

 

There's no bad feeling from any party, it's just the end of an era. 

 

How do the militant Howe-in people think they'd feel about that ?

 

 

Some will be fine and supportive some will blame the fans. 

[Ben]

1 minute ago, bobbydazzla said:

Imagine Eddie resigns at the end of the season, says he's had enough of football and wants to focus on opening up a cracking owl sanctuary in Norfolk.

 

There's no bad feeling from any party, it's just the end of an era. 

 

How do the militant Howe-in people think they'd feel about that ?

 

 

 

I love Owls, I'm sure the females "Twit" and the males "Hoo Hoo"