r0cafella Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 I'm not sure what to think about the 2nd half. Was a much better performance by us but Everton went to sleep for me. They did but we pressed them, amazing that a passing team doesn't like being pressed. Sitting back in the first half killed us, letting them play. And Pardew doesn't deserve credit for getting us to do what we should have done from the 1st whistle. Bimpy your spot on. The way we defend makes no sense. We don't press We don't get tight We aren't compact It's so f***ing wishy washy, the players don't have a f***ing clue what they are meant to do Agree,it's the total turnaround from what we did so very well two seasons ago that helped us finish 5th.So what's went wrong? I can only assume the players get sick of his training methods. People may disagree with me here but i just don't think they respect him he's too soft on the players for me. Letting Colo fuck off back to Argentina whilst he was out injured, same with Ben arfa who was being treated in France. Some will say this is good man management for me it's giving players a free holiday and will breed resentment from the other members of the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 The hell is going on with Ben Arfa man? One world beating performance followed by 2 garbage displays. He doesn't seem to be a bull s*** type person in the press, he has all the positive mentality in the world, something off with him? He was ineffective tonight but I didn't think he was garbage as such. Just like last season, he was the only outlet. Moving Remy into the middle put all the pressure back onto Hatem; they doubled-up on him and countered him easily. Just woeful tactics from Pardew, as usual. (Plus Seamus Coleman had an absolutely sensational performance - he was man of the match by a distance, for all Sky's ejaculating over Lukaku.) the excuses people will make for hba a crap game is a crap game, and he had one. And the one before that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 I am an advocate of anita normally but tonight I thought he was extremely negative and tentative on the ball. there were far too many times when he should have bust into the space free ahead of him but he faltered time and again and passed sideways or backwards. Not impressed. Cabaye made a hell of a difference when he came on. Tiote did what he was meant to do, you just cannot play him and anita together otherwise we become very slow and predictable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Well i thought Williamson did quite well. His distribution is just too poor to be playing at this level sadly. Even when he's under no pressure he still lumps it. I know the movement in front of him is terrible but he's like a race horse with blinkers he can knock a simple ball to our full backs. and another indictment on Pardew is how poor our off the ball movement has been under Pardew. 3 years and we are no further forward than the day he took over. Dont get me wrong, he is woeful. But by his standards i thought he did quite well. Hard to call mate. Everton we're relaxing the entire time he was on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 The hell is going on with Ben Arfa man? One world beating performance followed by 2 garbage displays. He doesn't seem to be a bull shit type person in the press, he has all the positive mentality in the world, something off with him? Shut-down HBA and you basically shut-down our offense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Tiote - 4 - Wasn't as bad I thought as he has been at times, at others just as bad Exactly as I felt. Seriously I thought Tiote played well and kept pressing all game. Also kept it very simple. The one time he lost the ball dangerously was a bad decision by Krul to throw it out to so crowded area. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 The only reason there was even an opportunity for the cracks to be papered over was because Everton not only took their foot off the gear, but got out of the car and went for a walk. Second half means next to nothing tbh. The only reason Everton scored 3 goals in the first half was because we started with the car turned off and couldn't even find the keys. I mean which of their goals wasn't down to a comedy of errors?, every fucking one was. I agree to some extent, but the difference is that was when the game was still (in theory anyway ) a competitive match and that was our level that we were bringing to the table. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 The hell is going on with Ben Arfa man? One world beating performance followed by 2 garbage displays. He doesn't seem to be a bull s*** type person in the press, he has all the positive mentality in the world, something off with him? He was ineffective tonight but I didn't think he was garbage as such. Just like last season, he was the only outlet. Moving Remy into the middle put all the pressure back onto Hatem; they doubled-up on him and countered him easily. Just woeful tactics from Pardew, as usual. (Plus Seamus Coleman had an absolutely sensational performance - he was man of the match by a distance, for all Sky's ejaculating over Lukaku.) the excuses people will make for hba a crap game is a crap game, and he had one. And the one before that. His shot was the only thing resembling a chance in the first half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Has HBA ever played well for us on the left? Seemed a majorly stupid decision Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 An obvious point: We lost this game due to lack of character and heart in the first twenty minutes. How can we play like we did in the second half and not like that in the first fifteen minutes, arguably the most important time to stay tight and to compete??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 On another note completely. Mourinho should be sectioned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Has HBA ever played well for us on the left? Seemed a majorly stupid decision Same as Gouffran out wide, especially on the right. Square pegs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 The only reason there was even an opportunity for the cracks to be papered over was because Everton not only took their foot off the gear, but got out of the car and went for a walk. Second half means next to nothing tbh. The only reason Everton scored 3 goals in the first half was because we started with the car turned off and couldn't even find the keys. I mean which of their goals wasn't down to a comedy of errors?, every f***ing one was. I agree to some extent, but the difference is that was when the game was still (in theory anyway ) a competitive match and that was our level that we were bringing to the table. I think that first half was more inline with how we usually play in comparison to Everton's second half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 The hell is going on with Ben Arfa man? One world beating performance followed by 2 garbage displays. He doesn't seem to be a bull s*** type person in the press, he has all the positive mentality in the world, something off with him? He was ineffective tonight but I didn't think he was garbage as such. Just like last season, he was the only outlet. Moving Remy into the middle put all the pressure back onto Hatem; they doubled-up on him and countered him easily. Just woeful tactics from Pardew, as usual. (Plus Seamus Coleman had an absolutely sensational performance - he was man of the match by a distance, for all Sky's ejaculating over Lukaku.) the excuses people will make for hba a crap game is a crap game, and he had one. And the one before that. Oh, I'm not saying he wasn't poor, like. He was. But the fact that Remy was totally out of the picture put all the pressure onto Ben Arfa and Everton defended against him easily. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Well i thought Williamson did quite well. His distribution is just too poor to be playing at this level sadly. Even when he's under no pressure he still lumps it. I know the movement in front of him is terrible but he's like a race horse with blinkers he can knock a simple ball to our full backs. and another indictment on Pardew is how poor our off the ball movement has been under Pardew. 3 years and we are no further forward than the day he took over. As much as we all think Williamson is crap, he is the one defender to come out with any credit today. Came on and played his part. We can slate the plank but not today on that performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 'Offense' ffs. Piss off America. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 The hell is going on with Ben Arfa man? One world beating performance followed by 2 garbage displays. He doesn't seem to be a bull s*** type person in the press, he has all the positive mentality in the world, something off with him? He was ineffective tonight but I didn't think he was garbage as such. Just like last season, he was the only outlet. Moving Remy into the middle put all the pressure back onto Hatem; they doubled-up on him and countered him easily. Just woeful tactics from Pardew, as usual. (Plus Seamus Coleman had an absolutely sensational performance - he was man of the match by a distance, for all Sky's ejaculating over Lukaku.) the excuses people will make for hba a crap game is a crap game, and he had one. And the one before that. His shot was the only thing resembling a chance in the first half. now that is awesome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 The hell is going on with Ben Arfa man? One world beating performance followed by 2 garbage displays. He doesn't seem to be a bull s*** type person in the press, he has all the positive mentality in the world, something off with him? that's why he plays for us and not a top team. He has all the attributes but seems to run hot and cold too many times. Seems to lack the consistency needed to be a true great. Though more than happy to have him here. Can't remember him having two bad games in a row before. Really don't agree with him being inconsistent normally when he plays, to me his inconsistency has been down to injury and when he plays he's pretty much always the leading light, not always 100% effective, but not totally ineffective like he has been for the last two matches. Then again I think in that second half he'd undoubtedly have ended up having a much better game if he'd stayed on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Has HBA ever played well for us on the left? Seemed a majorly stupid decision http://u.goal.com/109600/109640hp2.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Has HBA ever played well for us on the left? Seemed a majorly stupid decision Funnily enough when we beat Everton 0-1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Well. That first half was as bad as the tail end of last season. However, last season, I think we'd have come out to shut up shop, and concede a couple more. That's against a complacent team or not. It's difficult to look past shocking individual performances again, but our mentality looked all wrong from the start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 The hell is going on with Ben Arfa man? One world beating performance followed by 2 garbage displays. He doesn't seem to be a bull s*** type person in the press, he has all the positive mentality in the world, something off with him? He was ineffective tonight but I didn't think he was garbage as such. Just like last season, he was the only outlet. Moving Remy into the middle put all the pressure back onto Hatem; they doubled-up on him and countered him easily. Just woeful tactics from Pardew, as usual. (Plus Seamus Coleman had an absolutely sensational performance - he was man of the match by a distance, for all Sky's ejaculating over Lukaku.) the excuses people will make for hba a crap game is a crap game, and he had one. And the one before that. It's really myopic to look at individual player performances in isolation from context unless they are outstandingly bad - which he wasn't. The deck was stacked against him from the get go, tonight. If he'd been on top, top form - he might have got better joy out of Coleman, but that doesn't mean the level he was at was 'garbage'. The team's plan was garbage, and he was spearheading the horrendous plan sadly - and is now taking the flak for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 'Offense' ffs. Piss off America. Could've run some better routes too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Well i thought Williamson did quite well. His distribution is just too poor to be playing at this level sadly. Even when he's under no pressure he still lumps it. I know the movement in front of him is terrible but he's like a race horse with blinkers he can knock a simple ball to our full backs. and another indictment on Pardew is how poor our off the ball movement has been under Pardew. 3 years and we are no further forward than the day he took over. Dont get me wrong, he is woeful. But by his standards i thought he did quite well. It's going to be painful for many to admit it, but we really needed him, and he made a big difference. He does at least try to take charge of situations. He won't always succeed, but at least it's better than seeing two terrified centre backs permanently two yards away from making a challenge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Everton were shocking second half. Not really.... and they wasn't fantastic in the first half either. They looked good because we allowed them to be and they looked bad in the 2nd half because we didn't allow them to play. The same could be said vice versa tbf, but the point is let a passing team play and your asking for trouble put them under pressure and they won't like it. As the old saying goes..... any team can look good if the opposition allows them to be. Mole, we couldn't have gifted you a way back into the game any more - just like us being 3-0 was in no small part due to your total lack of defending. Beren's nailed it perfectly - we took our foot off the gas, ground to a halt, got out the car and went for a walk. It was farcical. I agree you took your foot of the gas but i still think the main reason we got back into the game is we stopped sitting deep and allowing you to come at us in droves. Its clearly not an effective way to play against you or any other decent outfit, i suppose its easy to say we put you under pressure and squeezed the midfield a lot more of course its a combination of all these things. I just don't believe you would have been 3-0 up at half time if we started the game by squeezing the midfield and nullifying the effectiveness of Barry, Barkley etc etc. My concern is we will just go back to sitting deep with zero intensity and i will sighing all over again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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