Wullie Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Judging from Pardew's post-match comments, this game may be a turning point in his thinking. He was talking about making a couple of changes in defence, which I assume means bringing in players who are mentally a bit stronger and more reliable. Get used to it, guys, because I'm sure one of them will be Williamson. The other might be Dummett. There's an old saying that a team is strong from the defence forwards and the middle outwards. We really need to go back to basics. We were belting when Williamson was a regular last season like. Just the worst run of form in over forty years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 That scoreline shouldn't mask the embarassment that we are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Judging from Pardew's post-match comments, this game may be a turning point in his thinking. He was talking about making a couple of changes in defence, which I assume means bringing in players who are mentally a bit stronger and more reliable. Get used to it, guys, because I'm sure one of them will be Williamson. The other might be Dummett. There's an old saying that a team is strong from the defence forwards and the middle outwards. We really need to go back to basics. Yes we do. By bringing in a manager who actually knows how to fucking manage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Funny how irregular players who play for real managers make mistakes like this though isn't it? Man Utd (7): Simpson - Colo - Williamson - Santon Arsenal (7): Simpson - Colo - Perch - Santon Man City (4): Simpson - MYM - Taylor - Jonas mackems (3): Debuchy - MYM - Taylor - Jonas Liverpool (6): Debuchy - MYM - Taylor - Haidara Man City (4): Debuchy - Colo - Taylor - MYM Hull (3): Debuchy - Colo - MYM - Santon Everton (3): Debuchy - Colo - MYM - Santon Just sheer coincidence that we seem to have acquired ten of the most error-prone defenders in European top flight football? That is bad luck! How can a manager that team concedes 7, 7 and 6 in the same season still be in a job Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 We got what we deserved from this game: f*** all. It doesn't matter that the players decided to start playing properly at the 45 minute, football is a game consisting of 90 minutes, they should have turned up on the first f***ing minute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Funny how irregular players who play for real managers make mistakes like this though isn't it? Man Utd (7): Simpson - Colo - Williamson - Santon Arsenal (7): Simpson - Colo - Perch - Santon Man City (4): Simpson - MYM - Taylor - Jonas mackems (3): Debuchy - MYM - Taylor - Jonas Liverpool (6): Debuchy - MYM - Taylor - Haidara Man City (4): Debuchy - Colo - Taylor - MYM Hull (3): Debuchy - Colo - MYM - Santon Everton (3): Debuchy - Colo - MYM - Santon Just sheer coincidence that we seem to have acquired ten of the most error-prone defenders in European top flight football? That is bad luck! Erm. The Man Utd home and away combined i think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 What a pathetic club we've become. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakie Doke Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 it's getting a bit heated in here. Stop arguing with one another, can't you see that's just what Pardew wants? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Why do the players still look so fucking unfit? There's no excuse whatsoever for this. They just can't be arsed. They're getting paid, who gives a fuck about NUFC. Obviously the manager needs to take a large portion of the blame for this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 it's getting a bit heated in here. Stop arguing with one another, can't you see that's just what Pardew wants? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Improved second half should not be allowed to paper over the cracks. Whole team, especially the back 4 lack leadership and have no clue what they are supposed to be doing. That said, the manager has them playing with fear from the off and it happens way too often. Big problems at this club, not as bad as the mackems....yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 What a pathetic club we've become. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Utterly shit scared of Lukaku. Cowardice from individuals as well as school boy defending & I can't understand the obvious lack of fitness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 They just can't be arsed. They're getting paid, who gives a f*** about NUFC. Obviously the manager needs to take a large portion of the blame for this. The players clearly aren't comfortable doing what they're being asked to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
binnsy Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 2 seasons ago he stumbled upon 433 and it rocketed us up the league and we finished 5th, last season he tweaked it to the 4231 and it didn't work. We sign 1 player in Remy and we went back to 433 against Villa and looked a really good side. PArdew then comes out with the rubbish that now we have Remy he can play that way again as hasn't been able to since Ba left! What do they do on the training ground every week that stops them playing in a successful formation cos 1 player is missing?? Surely he can work on the team shape and formation week in week out and even if its a Sammy/Marv or even Obertan in one of the wide positions, yes while they may not be as good as Remy the team unit and shape is still there and players know there jobs, we seem to have a different formation every week at the minute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 2 seasons ago he stumbled upon 433 and it rocketed us up the league and we finished 5th, last season he tweaked it to the 4231 and it didn't work. We sign 1 player in Remy and we went back to 433 against Villa and looked a really good side. PArdew then comes out with the rubbish that now we have Remy he can play that way again as hasn't been able to since Ba left! What do they do on the training ground every week that stops them playing in a successful formation cos 1 player is missing?? Surely he can work on the team shape and formation week in week out and even if its a Sammy/Marv or even Obertan in one of the wide positions, yes while they may not be as good as Remy the team unit and shape is still there and players know there jobs, we seem to have a different formation every week at the minute. I've honestly never seen a manager go through formations like Pardew. It's genuinely about three per game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 2 seasons ago he stumbled upon 433 and it rocketed us up the league and we finished 5th, last season he tweaked it to the 4231 and it didn't work. We sign 1 player in Remy and we went back to 433 against Villa and looked a really good side. PArdew then comes out with the rubbish that now we have Remy he can play that way again as hasn't been able to since Ba left! What do they do on the training ground every week that stops them playing in a successful formation cos 1 player is missing?? Surely he can work on the team shape and formation week in week out and even if its a Sammy/Marv or even Obertan in one of the wide positions, yes while they may not be as good as Remy the team unit and shape is still there and players know there jobs, we seem to have a different formation every week at the minute. I'm convinced that it will be 4-4-2 as soon as Jonas is fit and we'll have him left wing with Remy and somebody else in the middle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 2 seasons ago he stumbled upon 433 and it rocketed us up the league and we finished 5th, last season he tweaked it to the 4231 and it didn't work. We sign 1 player in Remy and we went back to 433 against Villa and looked a really good side. PArdew then comes out with the rubbish that now we have Remy he can play that way again as hasn't been able to since Ba left! What do they do on the training ground every week that stops them playing in a successful formation cos 1 player is missing?? Surely he can work on the team shape and formation week in week out and even if its a Sammy/Marv or even Obertan in one of the wide positions, yes while they may not be as good as Remy the team unit and shape is still there and players know there jobs, we seem to have a different formation every week at the minute. I'm convinced that it will be 4-4-2 as soon as Jonas is fit and we'll have him left wing with Remy and somebody else in the middle. Same here, Probably Ben Arfa RM, or Sissoko as Pardew is that thick. Leaves Tiote and Cabaye in the middle. Anita's out imo, again because Pardew is one thick fuck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 2 seasons ago he stumbled upon 433 and it rocketed us up the league and we finished 5th, last season he tweaked it to the 4231 and it didn't work. We sign 1 player in Remy and we went back to 433 against Villa and looked a really good side. PArdew then comes out with the rubbish that now we have Remy he can play that way again as hasn't been able to since Ba left! What do they do on the training ground every week that stops them playing in a successful formation cos 1 player is missing?? Surely he can work on the team shape and formation week in week out and even if its a Sammy/Marv or even Obertan in one of the wide positions, yes while they may not be as good as Remy the team unit and shape is still there and players know there jobs, we seem to have a different formation every week at the minute. I'm convinced that it will be 4-4-2 as soon as Jonas is fit and we'll have him left wing with Remy and somebody else in the middle. Same here, Probably Ben Arfa RM, or Sissoko as Pardew is that thick. Leaves Tiote and Cabaye in the middle. Anita's out imo, again because Pardew is one thick fuck. He's perfectly capable of making us lose without unnecessarily convoluted personnel choices. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 2 seasons ago he stumbled upon 433 and it rocketed us up the league and we finished 5th, last season he tweaked it to the 4231 and it didn't work. We sign 1 player in Remy and we went back to 433 against Villa and looked a really good side. PArdew then comes out with the rubbish that now we have Remy he can play that way again as hasn't been able to since Ba left! What do they do on the training ground every week that stops them playing in a successful formation cos 1 player is missing?? Surely he can work on the team shape and formation week in week out and even if its a Sammy/Marv or even Obertan in one of the wide positions, yes while they may not be as good as Remy the team unit and shape is still there and players know there jobs, we seem to have a different formation every week at the minute. I'm convinced that it will be 4-4-2 as soon as Jonas is fit and we'll have him left wing with Remy and somebody else in the middle. Same here, Probably Ben Arfa RM, or Sissoko as Pardew is that thick. Leaves Tiote and Cabaye in the middle. Anita's out imo, again because Pardew is one thick fuck. He's perfectly capable of making us lose without unnecessarily convoluted personnel choices. Very true, well i suppose the only thing to look forward to is the mad team selection within the formation he dreams up. God i hate him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 the gap between the defence and midfield today. same as vs Hull. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Gouffran was a positive. He kept possession well under pressure and showed he could last the 90 minutes. Surely a certain starter next week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Gouffran was a positive. He kept possession well under pressure and showed he could last the 90 minutes. Surely a certain starter next week. Hasn't been here long enough to have all the hope beaten out of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 2 seasons ago he stumbled upon 433 and it rocketed us up the league and we finished 5th, last season he tweaked it to the 4231 and it didn't work. We sign 1 player in Remy and we went back to 433 against Villa and looked a really good side. PArdew then comes out with the rubbish that now we have Remy he can play that way again as hasn't been able to since Ba left! What do they do on the training ground every week that stops them playing in a successful formation cos 1 player is missing?? Surely he can work on the team shape and formation week in week out and even if its a Sammy/Marv or even Obertan in one of the wide positions, yes while they may not be as good as Remy the team unit and shape is still there and players know there jobs, we seem to have a different formation every week at the minute. I've honestly never seen a manager go through formations like Pardew. It's genuinely about three per game. Forget formations, he can't even pick players that make sense in those formations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 An interesting read from espn.soccernet's NUFC blogger Marc Duffy: Second half better, but first too poor to overcome Don't let Newcastle's second-half performance in Monday's 3-2 defeat at Everton fool you -- they were well and truly beaten. The first half at Goodison Park ended with the Newcastle supporters singing: "We want our money back." And justifiably so. In the build-up to the game, Newcastle manager Alan Pardew went through his usual routine of 'bigging up' their opponents whenever possible. He went one step further this time -- in one of his pre-match conversations he used the word 'tough' a ridiculous five times. Tough, tough, tough, tough, tough . . . Just enough times to get the message of doubt into his own players heads -- a common theme. Pardew also likes to talk about 'playing under the floodlights' -- well, after his negative comments and obviously underwhelming pre-match dressing room talk, his players looked like rabbits in the headlights, never mind floodlights. Everton absolutely battered Newcastle in the first 45 minutes and were unlucky to go into the break with only a three-goals advantage. Romelu Lukaku scored twice and Ross Barkley got the other as the Newcastle back five were exposed time and time again. Another big problem with Pardew's management is once-solid players now look like they've never played before. Take Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa, for example -- a French international who captained Montpelier to a Ligue 1 title -- he was appalling. Papiss Cisse has regressed badly. Cheick Tiote too. Tim Krul looks incredibly shaky. Very few, if any players have improved under Pardew's coaching. Yanga-Mbiwa was replaced at half-time along with Hatem Ben Arfa with the game already lost. Another damning feature of Pardew's reign is the regular inability to perform in both halves, or in any half on some occasions. The horror shows of late last season, at home to Sunderland and Liverpool, are still burned into the supporters' minds, never mind the seven they conceded at Arsenal or the fact that they only managed two away league wins. Yes, Newcastle improved in the second half, but they couldn't have been any worse -- and Everton obviously had a lot less drive with three goals banked. Newcastle's second-half subs helped -- Mike Williamson gave the Everton forwards a more physical test, while Yohan Cabaye scored Newcastle's first with a beautiful strike. Even the improved second half showed flaws in Pardew's tactical armour -- just as his team were starting to dominate midfield, he took off their most effective midfielder, Vurnon Anita. Loic Remy added a late second for Newcastle but they failed to find the equaliser. They didn't deserve one. The tide might have turned against Pardew tonight. Thousands of supporters would delight in his sacking and I don't blame them. That number swelled by 20:45 England time Monday. The most common line offered by Pardew defenders is Joe Kinnear will replace him. No one knows that for certain -- Kinnear was on national radio a few months before Newcastle appointed him as director of football and in that interview he said that while he'd like to work in football again, his health wouldn't allow him to take a manager's job. Even if he did, would he dish up any worse than that first 45 minutes or some of the dross all too often seen? Everton are a decent side but they're nowhere near top-four standard -- yet Newcastle managed to make them look like world beaters. It's totally unacceptable. You won't find many supporters who are confident heading to Cardiff City away this weekend. They'll be even less-confident once Pardew tells the world how tough it will be. http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/newcastleunited/id/1195?cc=3436 Sure, he's not a neutral writer, but it's on a neutral site and he might as well be a lone voice at the moment... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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