Everton 3 - 2 Newcastle United - 30/09/13 - post-match reaction from page 57

[Wullie]

2 seasons ago he stumbled upon 433 and it rocketed us up the league and we finished 5th, last season he tweaked it to the 4231 and it didn't work.  We sign 1 player in Remy and we went back to 433 against Villa and looked a really good side.  PArdew then comes out with the rubbish that now we have Remy he can play that way again as hasn't been able to since Ba left!  What do they do on the training ground every week that stops them playing in a successful formation cos 1 player is missing??

 

Surely he can work on the team shape and formation week in week out and even if its a Sammy/Marv or even Obertan in one of the wide positions, yes while they may not be as good as Remy the team unit and shape is still there and players know there jobs, we seem to have a different formation every week at the minute.

 

I've honestly never seen a manager go through formations like Pardew. It's genuinely about three per game.

[Mick]

2 seasons ago he stumbled upon 433 and it rocketed us up the league and we finished 5th, last season he tweaked it to the 4231 and it didn't work.  We sign 1 player in Remy and we went back to 433 against Villa and looked a really good side.  PArdew then comes out with the rubbish that now we have Remy he can play that way again as hasn't been able to since Ba left!  What do they do on the training ground every week that stops them playing in a successful formation cos 1 player is missing??

 

Surely he can work on the team shape and formation week in week out and even if its a Sammy/Marv or even Obertan in one of the wide positions, yes while they may not be as good as Remy the team unit and shape is still there and players know there jobs, we seem to have a different formation every week at the minute.

 

 

I'm convinced that it will be 4-4-2 as soon as Jonas is fit and we'll have him left wing with Remy and somebody else in the middle.

[Guest bimpy474]

2 seasons ago he stumbled upon 433 and it rocketed us up the league and we finished 5th, last season he tweaked it to the 4231 and it didn't work.  We sign 1 player in Remy and we went back to 433 against Villa and looked a really good side.  PArdew then comes out with the rubbish that now we have Remy he can play that way again as hasn't been able to since Ba left!  What do they do on the training ground every week that stops them playing in a successful formation cos 1 player is missing??

 

Surely he can work on the team shape and formation week in week out and even if its a Sammy/Marv or even Obertan in one of the wide positions, yes while they may not be as good as Remy the team unit and shape is still there and players know there jobs, we seem to have a different formation every week at the minute.

 

 

I'm convinced that it will be 4-4-2 as soon as Jonas is fit and we'll have him left wing with Remy and somebody else in the middle.

 

Same here, Probably Ben Arfa RM, or Sissoko as Pardew is that thick. Leaves Tiote and Cabaye in the middle. Anita's out imo, again because Pardew is one thick fuck.

[oldtype]

2 seasons ago he stumbled upon 433 and it rocketed us up the league and we finished 5th, last season he tweaked it to the 4231 and it didn't work.  We sign 1 player in Remy and we went back to 433 against Villa and looked a really good side.  PArdew then comes out with the rubbish that now we have Remy he can play that way again as hasn't been able to since Ba left!  What do they do on the training ground every week that stops them playing in a successful formation cos 1 player is missing??

 

Surely he can work on the team shape and formation week in week out and even if its a Sammy/Marv or even Obertan in one of the wide positions, yes while they may not be as good as Remy the team unit and shape is still there and players know there jobs, we seem to have a different formation every week at the minute.

 

 

I'm convinced that it will be 4-4-2 as soon as Jonas is fit and we'll have him left wing with Remy and somebody else in the middle.

 

Same here, Probably Ben Arfa RM, or Sissoko as Pardew is that thick. Leaves Tiote and Cabaye in the middle. Anita's out imo, again because Pardew is one thick fuck.

 

He's perfectly capable of making us lose without unnecessarily convoluted personnel choices.

[Guest bimpy474]

2 seasons ago he stumbled upon 433 and it rocketed us up the league and we finished 5th, last season he tweaked it to the 4231 and it didn't work.  We sign 1 player in Remy and we went back to 433 against Villa and looked a really good side.  PArdew then comes out with the rubbish that now we have Remy he can play that way again as hasn't been able to since Ba left!  What do they do on the training ground every week that stops them playing in a successful formation cos 1 player is missing??

 

Surely he can work on the team shape and formation week in week out and even if its a Sammy/Marv or even Obertan in one of the wide positions, yes while they may not be as good as Remy the team unit and shape is still there and players know there jobs, we seem to have a different formation every week at the minute.

 

 

I'm convinced that it will be 4-4-2 as soon as Jonas is fit and we'll have him left wing with Remy and somebody else in the middle.

 

Same here, Probably Ben Arfa RM, or Sissoko as Pardew is that thick. Leaves Tiote and Cabaye in the middle. Anita's out imo, again because Pardew is one thick fuck.

 

He's perfectly capable of making us lose without unnecessarily convoluted personnel choices.

 

Very true, well i suppose the only thing to look forward to is the mad team selection within the formation he dreams up. God i hate him.

[littlelunchbox]

the gap between the defence and midfield today.

 

same as vs Hull. 

 

 

[Cronky]

Gouffran was a positive. He kept possession well under pressure and showed he could last the 90 minutes. Surely a certain starter next week.

[oldtype]

Gouffran was a positive. He kept possession well under pressure and showed he could last the 90 minutes. Surely a certain starter next week.

 

Hasn't been here long enough to have all the hope beaten out of him.

[TRon]

2 seasons ago he stumbled upon 433 and it rocketed us up the league and we finished 5th, last season he tweaked it to the 4231 and it didn't work.  We sign 1 player in Remy and we went back to 433 against Villa and looked a really good side.  PArdew then comes out with the rubbish that now we have Remy he can play that way again as hasn't been able to since Ba left!  What do they do on the training ground every week that stops them playing in a successful formation cos 1 player is missing??

 

Surely he can work on the team shape and formation week in week out and even if its a Sammy/Marv or even Obertan in one of the wide positions, yes while they may not be as good as Remy the team unit and shape is still there and players know there jobs, we seem to have a different formation every week at the minute.

 

I've honestly never seen a manager go through formations like Pardew. It's genuinely about three per game.

 

Forget formations, he can't even pick players that make sense in those formations.

[Raconteur]

An interesting read from espn.soccernet's NUFC blogger Marc Duffy:

 

Second half better, but first too poor to overcome

 

Don't let Newcastle's second-half performance in Monday's 3-2 defeat at Everton fool you -- they were well and truly beaten.

 

The first half at Goodison Park ended with the Newcastle supporters singing: "We want our money back."

 

And justifiably so.

 

In the build-up to the game, Newcastle manager Alan Pardew went through his usual routine of 'bigging up' their opponents whenever possible.

 

He went one step further this time -- in one of his pre-match conversations he used the word 'tough' a ridiculous five times.

 

Tough, tough, tough, tough, tough . . . Just enough times to get the message of doubt into his own players heads -- a common theme.

 

Pardew also likes to talk about 'playing under the floodlights' -- well, after his negative comments and obviously underwhelming pre-match dressing room talk, his players looked like rabbits in the headlights, never mind floodlights.

 

Everton absolutely battered Newcastle in the first 45 minutes and were unlucky to go into the break with only a three-goals advantage. Romelu Lukaku scored twice and Ross Barkley got the other as the Newcastle back five were exposed time and time again.

 

Another big problem with Pardew's management is once-solid players now look like they've never played before. Take Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa, for example -- a French international who captained Montpelier to a Ligue 1 title -- he was appalling. Papiss Cisse has regressed badly. Cheick Tiote too. Tim Krul looks incredibly shaky. Very few, if any players have improved under Pardew's coaching.

 

Yanga-Mbiwa was replaced at half-time along with Hatem Ben Arfa with the game already lost.

 

Another damning feature of Pardew's reign is the regular inability to perform in both halves, or in any half on some occasions. The horror shows of late last season, at home to Sunderland and Liverpool, are still burned into the supporters' minds, never mind the seven they conceded at Arsenal or the fact that they only managed two away league wins.

 

Yes, Newcastle improved in the second half, but they couldn't have been any worse -- and Everton obviously had a lot less drive with three goals banked.

 

Newcastle's second-half subs helped -- Mike Williamson gave the Everton forwards a more physical test, while Yohan Cabaye scored Newcastle's first with a beautiful strike.

 

Even the improved second half showed flaws in Pardew's tactical armour -- just as his team were starting to dominate midfield, he took off their most effective midfielder, Vurnon Anita.

 

Loic Remy added a late second for Newcastle but they failed to find the equaliser. They didn't deserve one.

 

The tide might have turned against Pardew tonight. Thousands of supporters would delight in his sacking and I don't blame them. That number swelled by 20:45 England time Monday.

 

The most common line offered by Pardew defenders is Joe Kinnear will replace him. No one knows that for certain -- Kinnear was on national radio a few months before Newcastle appointed him as director of football and in that interview he said that while he'd like to work in football again, his health wouldn't allow him to take a manager's job.

 

Even if he did, would he dish up any worse than that first 45 minutes or some of the dross all too often seen?

 

Everton are a decent side but they're nowhere near top-four standard -- yet Newcastle managed to make them look like world beaters. It's totally unacceptable.

 

You won't find many supporters who are confident heading to Cardiff City away this weekend. They'll be even less-confident once Pardew tells the world how tough it will be.

http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/newcastleunited/id/1195?cc=3436

 

Sure, he's not a neutral writer, but it's on a neutral site and he might as well be a lone voice at the moment...

[merlin]

The summary above from ESPN blog just about covers the game and the situation at NUFC.

 

As the guy said, Everton are hardly world beaters, but NUFC made them look like Brazil 70 in the first half last night. Lukaku had the central defenders in a constant panic and by the time Coloccini was asked to deal with a simple high ball to that player close to the end of the first half, both he and Krul managed to present the striker with a simple tap-in.

 

I am not going to go through the plus(precious few in the 1st half)or minus points of this game - many others have already done that - but the hard fact remains that once again, we looked a shambles in defence, the m/f and defence seem to have just been introduced before the game, and the only real telling possession we had in the 1st half was when Everton backed off our defenders and allowed them to pass the ball either to each other, or, on a rare and joyful occasion, to a team-mate in m/f who was unmarked ; whenever we got anywhere near their area, Everton tacked quickly and won the ball back, usually setting up a swift counter attack which once again had our defenders back-pedalling furiously and Lukaku threatening to score with every foray into our area.

The game was effectively over by HT and regardless of the contributions of the subs, notably Cabaye, Everton knew they had the points in the bag and began to coast with their minds on more important fixtures ahead. It might have proved costly, but I reckon they always had another goal in them if we had sneaked a totally undeserved equalizer.

 

Another shambolic display, witnessed first hand by our esteemed owner alongside his footballing genius DoF...it would have been wonderful to be a fly sitting on their HT sandwiches and listening to the pearls of wisdom dropping from their lips....they may even have touched on who would do a better job of being glove puppet in the managerial dug-out(or touch-line, depending on the chosen one's preference..!).

 

In the unlikely event of a serious discussion of this subject, they may even have come to a decision as to how long the current incumbent should be allowed to lead NUFC towards the Championship for the second time in 4 years...whilst one can never speculate as to the complex workings of the Ashley-Kinnear mindset, one can make an educated guess as to the likely deadline...I am going for the weekend after the final whistle against the Scousers at SJP, which, if current form is to be any guide , promises to be another humbling of the Mighty Magpies at their own invincible fortress. Should this follow on from defeat against the likes of Cardiff in the next game and subsequent outings, I reckon Pardew will then be toast.

 

Had his players not decided to turn up in the second half last night and Everton gone on to get 1 or 2 more, I reckon Pardew would now be clutching his P60 and deservedly so although there can be very little optimism as to who will be the considered next choice for the deadly duo running club affairs.

 

Pray heaven that someone like RDM has indeed lost his marbles and is hanging on for the NUFC job - but the loose cannon could well strike again and inflict some other second-rater on us...he has form after all..!

[Segun Oluwaniyi]

I don't understand what was the plan first half was meant to be. There was no cohesion between the three groups of players at all. The forward players were not pressing the ball with any alacrity, which would seem to indicate that we were going to sit back and absorb pressure, yet the defense seemed to be playing quite high, with both fullbacks bombing forward whenever the midfield held the ball for more than half a second. The midfield, especially Tiote, were far too separated from our defenders. Part of it was tactics, but the midfield players provided absolutely nothing offensively or defensively in the first half. I was expecting them to sit deep and break up play, but this never happen. They seemed to just be wandering around the half way line while Everton repeatedly assaulted the defence.

[DJ_NUFC]

It hurts that we missed the boat on Martinez and many available good managers over the summer. It really, truly hurts.

[TaylorJ_01]

Didn't win enough headers and tackles says Fartpoo.

[sugoinufc]

An interesting read from espn.soccernet's NUFC blogger Marc Duffy:

 

Second half better, but first too poor to overcome

 

Don't let Newcastle's second-half performance in Monday's 3-2 defeat at Everton fool you -- they were well and truly beaten.

 

The first half at Goodison Park ended with the Newcastle supporters singing: "We want our money back."

 

And justifiably so.

 

In the build-up to the game, Newcastle manager Alan Pardew went through his usual routine of 'bigging up' their opponents whenever possible.

 

He went one step further this time -- in one of his pre-match conversations he used the word 'tough' a ridiculous five times.

 

Tough, tough, tough, tough, tough . . . Just enough times to get the message of doubt into his own players heads -- a common theme.

 

Pardew also likes to talk about 'playing under the floodlights' -- well, after his negative comments and obviously underwhelming pre-match dressing room talk, his players looked like rabbits in the headlights, never mind floodlights.

 

Everton absolutely battered Newcastle in the first 45 minutes and were unlucky to go into the break with only a three-goals advantage. Romelu Lukaku scored twice and Ross Barkley got the other as the Newcastle back five were exposed time and time again.

 

Another big problem with Pardew's management is once-solid players now look like they've never played before. Take Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa, for example -- a French international who captained Montpelier to a Ligue 1 title -- he was appalling. Papiss Cisse has regressed badly. Cheick Tiote too. Tim Krul looks incredibly shaky. Very few, if any players have improved under Pardew's coaching.

 

Yanga-Mbiwa was replaced at half-time along with Hatem Ben Arfa with the game already lost.

 

Another damning feature of Pardew's reign is the regular inability to perform in both halves, or in any half on some occasions. The horror shows of late last season, at home to Sunderland and Liverpool, are still burned into the supporters' minds, never mind the seven they conceded at Arsenal or the fact that they only managed two away league wins.

 

Yes, Newcastle improved in the second half, but they couldn't have been any worse -- and Everton obviously had a lot less drive with three goals banked.

 

Newcastle's second-half subs helped -- Mike Williamson gave the Everton forwards a more physical test, while Yohan Cabaye scored Newcastle's first with a beautiful strike.

 

Even the improved second half showed flaws in Pardew's tactical armour -- just as his team were starting to dominate midfield, he took off their most effective midfielder, Vurnon Anita.

 

Loic Remy added a late second for Newcastle but they failed to find the equaliser. They didn't deserve one.

 

The tide might have turned against Pardew tonight. Thousands of supporters would delight in his sacking and I don't blame them. That number swelled by 20:45 England time Monday.

 

The most common line offered by Pardew defenders is Joe Kinnear will replace him. No one knows that for certain -- Kinnear was on national radio a few months before Newcastle appointed him as director of football and in that interview he said that while he'd like to work in football again, his health wouldn't allow him to take a manager's job.

 

Even if he did, would he dish up any worse than that first 45 minutes or some of the dross all too often seen?

 

Everton are a decent side but they're nowhere near top-four standard -- yet Newcastle managed to make them look like world beaters. It's totally unacceptable.

 

You won't find many supporters who are confident heading to Cardiff City away this weekend. They'll be even less-confident once Pardew tells the world how tough it will be.

http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/newcastleunited/id/1195?cc=3436

 

Sure, he's not a neutral writer, but it's on a neutral site and he might as well be a lone voice at the moment...

 

logged in write exactly the same as his first line. ...don´t let the result foul you, we were truly beaten!

 

[SiLvOR]

Tiote annoyed the hell out of me yesterday. Can't believe he's just waltzed back into the side.

[Gallowgate Toon]

I don't understand what was the plan first half was meant to be. There was no cohesion between the three groups of players at all. The forward players were not pressing the ball with any alacrity, which would seem to indicate that we were going to sit back and absorb pressure, yet the defense seemed to be playing quite high, with both fullbacks bombing forward whenever the midfield held the ball for more than half a second. The midfield, especially Tiote, were far too separated from our defenders. Part of it was tactics, but the midfield players provided absolutely nothing offensively or defensively in the first half. I was expecting them to sit deep and break up play, but this never happen. They seemed to just be wandering around the half way line while Everton repeatedly assaulted the defence.

 

Me neither. It looked absolutely awful. I think the plan was to contain and counter but he tried to make tweaks and it ended up looking like a disjointed mess. He usually tries to compensate for our CBs' lack of height and strength by making Tiote or Sissoko stand in front of them when the opposition 'keeper kicks it long. That didn't happen yesterday, there seemed to be no protection for our centre halves and, to make it worse, they put in the most awful performances.

 

What happened to the tactics and personnel from Villa? I know Cabaye was injured but he tinkered too much because of that.

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

It hurts that we missed the boat on Martinez and many available good managers over the summer. It really, truly hurts.

 

To think there were some that thought he wouldn't be an improvement.

[merlin]

It hurts that we missed the boat on Martinez and many available good managers over the summer. It really, truly hurts.

 

To think there were some that thought he wouldn't be an improvement.

 

There are STILL some that think he wouldn't - unbelievable, but true...read the comments in the Pardew thread.

[Lotus]

It's utterly bizarre when you remember that 1st half performance that on top of scoring 2 goals, we hit the post and Remy narrowly missed.

 

We have a lot of work to do to stay out of the bottom six but Everton have a lot of work to do to be in the top six come May.

[SiLvOR]

It's utterly bizarre when you remember that 1st half performance that on top of scoring 2 goals, we hit the post and Remy narrowly missed.

 

We have a lot of work to do to stay out of the bottom six but Everton have a lot of work to do to be in the top six come May.

 

Saying that though, Lukaku had the ball in the net about 4 times in that first half

[Lotus]

It's utterly bizarre when you remember that 1st half performance that on top of scoring 2 goals, we hit the post and Remy narrowly missed.

 

We have a lot of work to do to stay out of the bottom six but Everton have a lot of work to do to be in the top six come May.

 

Saying that though, Lukaku had the ball in the net about 4 times in that first half

 

Aye, the linesman was our best player for the 1st 40 minutes!!!!!

[Pata]

Tiote annoyed the hell out of me yesterday. Can't believe he's just waltzed back into the side.

 

Why?

[Segun Oluwaniyi]

Tiote annoyed the hell out of me yesterday. Can't believe he's just waltzed back into the side.

 

Why?

He literally provided nothing at all. Maybe that is an improvement over the eight or nine players who were unquestionably negatives.

[loki679]

Tiote annoyed the hell out of me yesterday. Can't believe he's just waltzed back into the side.

 

Why?

 

Because Ivorian defensive midfielders aren't usually noted for their ballroom dancing skills.