mrmojorisin75 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Anyway I want Klepp and I reckon we'd finish top 4 with him. Does that answer the question? You suggested Pardew is average at best. I was asking you who do you want and where we could finish, which you have now answered. But I have to disagree with that you think our squad is capable of top 4. Dunno about anyone else, but I did not expect this development. possibly the most insane post i've seen in some time Didn't want to be blunt, I don't know people well enough on here to know whether they are being sarcastic or not. sorry. i think i read the post wrong initially, i have no idea what's going on now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Only one Pardew thread? Woe is me Richard, woe is me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Hhmmm, with the squad we have I would have thought even a trained monkey would have us in the top 8 each year. This clem nearly had us relegated last season so I rate him slightly under a trained monkey and slightly above a Sam Allardyce. The bloke has not done a good job so far as he has reached our minimum requirement 2 out of the last 3 seasons and also nearly relegated us. Pretty shit really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 His spending is irrelevant (and he's spent none/very little of it anyway) he's given players and it's his job to get them to play football, the players he's given have hardly reflected the -£45m net spend or whatever it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Anyway I want Klepp and I reckon we'd finish top 4 with him. Does that answer the question? You suggested Pardew is average at best. I was asking you who do you want and where we could finish, which you have now answered. But I have to disagree with that you think our squad is capable of top 4. Dunno about anyone else, but I did not expect this development. possibly the most insane post i've seen in some time Didn't want to be blunt, I don't know people well enough on here to know whether they are being sarcastic or not. sorry. Even if I was being serious it goes beyond me believing we're capable of top 4. I couldn't reasonably expect any manager to come in and tear shit apart in his first season. It's a working project, and a one where we're no better off that we were 2 years ago with a worse squad under Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The_Optimistic Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 His spending is irrelevant (and he's spent none/very little of it anyway) he's given players and it's his job to get them to play football, the players he's given have hardly reflected the -£45m net spend or whatever it is. How is the spending irrelevant? How many times to do hear managers given credit for the jobs they have done on little resources? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 His spending is irrelevant (and he's spent none/very little of it anyway) he's given players and it's his job to get them to play football, the players he's given have hardly reflected the -£45m net spend or whatever it is. How is the spending irrelevant? How many times to do hear managers given credit for the jobs they have done on little resources? Because he isnt making the signings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 His spending is irrelevant (and he's spent none/very little of it anyway) he's given players and it's his job to get them to play football, the players he's given have hardly reflected the -£45m net spend or whatever it is. How is the spending irrelevant? How many times to do hear managers given credit for the jobs they have done on little resources? Because he isnt making the signings. Exactly, those managers find their own players and build their team themselves. You can hardly say our first team is a reelection of our net spend over the last few years. We have, even after losing Cabaye, a very good first team that the right manager could potentially break into the top 4 with, obviously if certain signings were permanent. Most peoples arguments however do not revolve around the position we're in, in the league, 8th and looking up isn't that bad this time of year (we could do better, but could be worse) it's the turgid football on display during match day, the inability to play to our strengths, the cowardly approach to games, the inability to fight back from a losing position, the continuation of defeats from the mackems. Yes our league position is somewhat acceptable, but everything else is nowhere near! That's before we go into our off field antics and Pardews latest in a long string of misdemeanours. That's why I want him gone at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The_Optimistic Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 His spending is irrelevant (and he's spent none/very little of it anyway) he's given players and it's his job to get them to play football, the players he's given have hardly reflected the -£45m net spend or whatever it is. How is the spending irrelevant? How many times to do hear managers given credit for the jobs they have done on little resources? Because he isnt making the signings. Exactly, those managers find their own players and build their team themselves. You can hardly say our first team is a reelection of our net spend over the last few years. We have, even after losing Cabaye, a very good first team that the right manager could potentially break into the top 4 with, obviously if certain signings were permanent. Most peoples arguments however do not revolve around the position we're in, in the league, 8th and looking up isn't that bad this time of year (we could do better, but could be worse) it's the turgid football on display during match day, the inability to play to our strengths, the cowardly approach to games, the inability to fight back from a losing position, the continuation of defeats from the mackems. Yes our league position is somewhat acceptable, but everything else is nowhere near! That's before we go into our off field antics and Pardews latest in a long string of misdemeanours. That's why I want him gone at least. Your point is fair enough if you believe our squad is capable of more. But I am one of those who think our squad is probably punching a couple of positions above its weight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 His spending is irrelevant (and he's spent none/very little of it anyway) he's given players and it's his job to get them to play football, the players he's given have hardly reflected the -£45m net spend or whatever it is. How is the spending irrelevant? How many times to do hear managers given credit for the jobs they have done on little resources? Because he isnt making the signings. Exactly, those managers find their own players and build their team themselves. You can hardly say our first team is a reelection of our net spend over the last few years. We have, even after losing Cabaye, a very good first team that the right manager could potentially break into the top 4 with, obviously if certain signings were permanent. Most peoples arguments however do not revolve around the position we're in, in the league, 8th and looking up isn't that bad this time of year (we could do better, but could be worse) it's the turgid football on display during match day, the inability to play to our strengths, the cowardly approach to games, the inability to fight back from a losing position, the continuation of defeats from the mackems. Yes our league position is somewhat acceptable, but everything else is nowhere near! That's before we go into our off field antics and Pardews latest in a long string of misdemeanours. That's why I want him gone at least. Your point is fair enough if you believe our squad is capable of more. But I am one of those who think our squad is probably punching a couple of positions above its weight. You think we've had a weaker squad than West Ham? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The_Optimistic Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 His spending is irrelevant (and he's spent none/very little of it anyway) he's given players and it's his job to get them to play football, the players he's given have hardly reflected the -£45m net spend or whatever it is. How is the spending irrelevant? How many times to do hear managers given credit for the jobs they have done on little resources? Because he isnt making the signings. Exactly, those managers find their own players and build their team themselves. You can hardly say our first team is a reelection of our net spend over the last few years. We have, even after losing Cabaye, a very good first team that the right manager could potentially break into the top 4 with, obviously if certain signings were permanent. Most peoples arguments however do not revolve around the position we're in, in the league, 8th and looking up isn't that bad this time of year (we could do better, but could be worse) it's the turgid football on display during match day, the inability to play to our strengths, the cowardly approach to games, the inability to fight back from a losing position, the continuation of defeats from the mackems. Yes our league position is somewhat acceptable, but everything else is nowhere near! That's before we go into our off field antics and Pardews latest in a long string of misdemeanours. That's why I want him gone at least. Your point is fair enough if you believe our squad is capable of more. But I am one of those who think our squad is probably punching a couple of positions above its weight. You think we've had a weaker squad than West Ham? Sorry, you're right, I think we are where we are in 8th in terms of squads, but we are a long way behind matching the top 4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Who is asking to match top 4? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The_Optimistic Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Who is asking to match top 4? go back a page or 2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 The difference between 7th and 10th could be an injury and a bad refereeing decision, it's pretty hard to be that specific about where a team 'should finish'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Ignoring the football itself (which is admittedly much improved from the utter shite served up last season), and all the embarrassing bollocks he says and does, considering the zero investment in the squad and the complete lack of ambition above him I'd probably say on balance he's done a reasonable job to date. The 5th season was evidently him overachieving, last season was him massively underperforming. This season seems to be about average. His cup and derby records are shameful but it's obvious nobody at the club cares about those. Despite this I still think we could do better, and should always be looking to improve. I do believe these players are capable of more and adding to them could take us further still. Unfortunately not everyone agrees, including the fucking dickhead making the decisions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Ignoring the football itself (which is admittedly much improved from the utter s**** served up last season), and all the embarrassing bollocks he says and does, considering the zero investment in the squad and the complete lack of ambition above him I'd probably say on balance he's done a reasonable job to date. The 5th season was evidently him overachieving, last season was him massively underperforming. This season seems to be about average. Despite this I still think we could do better, and should always be looking to improve. I do believe these players are capable of more and adding to them could take us further still. Unfortunately not everyone agrees, including the f***ing dickhead making the decisions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The_Optimistic Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Ignoring the football itself (which is admittedly much improved from the utter s**** served up last season), and all the embarrassing bollocks he says and does, considering the zero investment in the squad and the complete lack of ambition above him I'd probably say on balance he's done a reasonable job to date. The 5th season was evidently him overachieving, last season was him massively underperforming. This season seems to be about average. His cup and derby records are shameful but it's obvious nobody at the club cares about those. Despite this I still think we could do better, and should always be looking to improve. I do believe these players are capable of more and adding to them could take us further still. Unfortunately not everyone agrees, including the f***ing dickhead making the decisions. I agree that we can do better but with more a ambitious owner. I just don't think it's worth going for a new manager whilst Ashley still owns the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Ignoring the football itself (which is admittedly much improved from the utter s**** served up last season), and all the embarrassing bollocks he says and does, considering the zero investment in the squad and the complete lack of ambition above him I'd probably say on balance he's done a reasonable job to date. The 5th season was evidently him overachieving, last season was him massively underperforming. This season seems to be about average. His cup and derby records are shameful but it's obvious nobody at the club cares about those. Despite this I still think we could do better, and should always be looking to improve. I do believe these players are capable of more and adding to them could take us further still. Unfortunately not everyone agrees, including the f***ing dickhead making the decisions. Excellent post Dave. I pretty much agree with all of it. On a statistical basis he hasn't done a bad job it's just the matter of all the things which are important to the fans he's done poorly at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Ignoring the football itself (which is admittedly much improved from the utter s**** served up last season), and all the embarrassing bollocks he says and does, considering the zero investment in the squad and the complete lack of ambition above him I'd probably say on balance he's done a reasonable job to date. The 5th season was evidently him overachieving, last season was him massively underperforming. This season seems to be about average. His cup and derby records are shameful but it's obvious nobody at the club cares about those. Despite this I still think we could do better, and should always be looking to improve. I do believe these players are capable of more and adding to them could take us further still. Unfortunately not everyone agrees, including the f***ing dickhead making the decisions. I agree that we can do better but with more a ambitious owner. I just don't think it's worth going for a new manager whilst Ashley still owns the club. Cool, we'll all just look forward to the mackems racking up another dozen derby victories and an unprecedented win streak that history shows is unbelievably difficult to reverse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The_Optimistic Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Ignoring the football itself (which is admittedly much improved from the utter s**** served up last season), and all the embarrassing bollocks he says and does, considering the zero investment in the squad and the complete lack of ambition above him I'd probably say on balance he's done a reasonable job to date. The 5th season was evidently him overachieving, last season was him massively underperforming. This season seems to be about average. His cup and derby records are shameful but it's obvious nobody at the club cares about those. Despite this I still think we could do better, and should always be looking to improve. I do believe these players are capable of more and adding to them could take us further still. Unfortunately not everyone agrees, including the f***ing dickhead making the decisions. I agree that we can do better but with more a ambitious owner. I just don't think it's worth going for a new manager whilst Ashley still owns the club. Cool, we'll all just look forward to the mackems racking up another dozen derby victories and an unprecedented win streak that history shows is unbelievably difficult to reverse. Surely we can't sack our manager because he's lost the last 3 derbies. This is becoming pathetic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Ignoring the football itself (which is admittedly much improved from the utter s**** served up last season), and all the embarrassing bollocks he says and does, considering the zero investment in the squad and the complete lack of ambition above him I'd probably say on balance he's done a reasonable job to date. The 5th season was evidently him overachieving, last season was him massively underperforming. This season seems to be about average. His cup and derby records are shameful but it's obvious nobody at the club cares about those. Despite this I still think we could do better, and should always be looking to improve. I do believe these players are capable of more and adding to them could take us further still. Unfortunately not everyone agrees, including the f***ing dickhead making the decisions. I agree that we can do better but with more a ambitious owner. I just don't think it's worth going for a new manager whilst Ashley still owns the club. Cool, we'll all just look forward to the mackems racking up another dozen derby victories and an unprecedented win streak that history shows is unbelievably difficult to reverse. Surely we can't sack our manager because he's lost the last 3 derbies. This is becoming pathetic. He should have been sacked after the first one, never mind the third one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Ignoring the football itself (which is admittedly much improved from the utter s**** served up last season), and all the embarrassing bollocks he says and does, considering the zero investment in the squad and the complete lack of ambition above him I'd probably say on balance he's done a reasonable job to date. The 5th season was evidently him overachieving, last season was him massively underperforming. This season seems to be about average. His cup and derby records are shameful but it's obvious nobody at the club cares about those. Despite this I still think we could do better, and should always be looking to improve. I do believe these players are capable of more and adding to them could take us further still. Unfortunately not everyone agrees, including the f***ing dickhead making the decisions. I agree that we can do better but with more a ambitious owner. I just don't think it's worth going for a new manager whilst Ashley still owns the club. Cool, we'll all just look forward to the mackems racking up another dozen derby victories and an unprecedented win streak that history shows is unbelievably difficult to reverse. Surely we can't sack our manager because he's lost the last 3 derbies. This is becoming pathetic. Why in the fuck can't you? Of course we should Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Who is asking to match top 4? go back a page or 2. It was an off the cuff comment, but if our team had been managed by Klopp and his team the past 3 and a half seasons instead of "Hatem's stats weren't right" Pardew I don't think its that much of a stretch for us to be challenging with the top 4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Ignoring the football itself (which is admittedly much improved from the utter s**** served up last season), and all the embarrassing bollocks he says and does, considering the zero investment in the squad and the complete lack of ambition above him I'd probably say on balance he's done a reasonable job to date. The 5th season was evidently him overachieving, last season was him massively underperforming. This season seems to be about average. His cup and derby records are shameful but it's obvious nobody at the club cares about those. Despite this I still think we could do better, and should always be looking to improve. I do believe these players are capable of more and adding to them could take us further still. Unfortunately not everyone agrees, including the f***ing dickhead making the decisions. I agree that we can do better but with more a ambitious owner. I just don't think it's worth going for a new manager whilst Ashley still owns the club. Cool, we'll all just look forward to the mackems racking up another dozen derby victories and an unprecedented win streak that history shows is unbelievably difficult to reverse. Surely we can't sack our manager because he's lost the last 3 derbies. This is becoming pathetic. No we sack him for being a liar, a stinking piece of bullshit. For being a manager who's team has NEVER come from behind to win when losing at half time, over 3 years and counting. We sack him for giving us some of the worst run of results ever, for being utterly bereft of passion and leadership in Derbies. For constantly telling us we're no bigger than Wigan and Swansea and who can't compete financially with Southampton. For setting us up in games against lower league teams in cups so we can just survive and try to get to 70 mins. For giving us some of the worst football i've ever seen, yet tells us it's front foot exciting stuff. The Constant shit he spews out, and now we have the ridiculous touchline embarrassments. The shit far outweighs the good, and that is why he should be sacked. he's a cunt of a man, a man without shame, without pride who deserves nothing from us other than our contempt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Can't believe you think we could get Klopp, Hans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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