Guest labrowski Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I would go with a manager that can play a player in their correct position for a start Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I can accept anything so long as our manager shows ingenuity, honesty and a drive to win games. If it doesn't work? Fine. Last guy to do it was Keegan and he's my hero. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I can accept anything so long as our manager shows ingenuity, honesty and a drive to win games. If it doesn't work? Fine. Last guy to do it was Keegan and he's my hero. Yeah this is where I'm at. Thank you for writing my feelings down for me, much appreciated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 People would take Moyes over Martinez given the choice? Madness! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Funny how Moyes is the proven one when its Martinez with the trophy to his name. That's one of the dumbest things you've said, and by God you've said some dumb things. He also has a relegation to his name, if we're going to make stupid arguments. Moyes is a good manager. Martinez is a good manager. Martinez has benefited massively from the foundation that Moyes built at Everton. His teams leaked goals for fun at Wigan, and he wasn't able to fix it over three God damn years, that's how good he was. Moyes created a solid foundation and Martinez has expanded on it, but credit still must be given to Moyes for building the team. Let's judge Everton three years down the line when Martinez has time to sign more players like Alcaraz and that gimp he spent £5m on who hasn't done s***. Yes his philosophy is to be admired and yes Everton have been brilliant to watch, but Moyes' track record is far better because he experienced sustained success. Martinez's success so far has been fleeting. I'd take Moyes over Martinez if I had to pick one manager today for our club, given our (self imposed) financial constraints. Martinez is the better candidate if you have the money to sign the best players but we don't and won't ever, and Moyes has proven himself at a club like us. How are Everton, where Moyes had free rein to buy exactly the players he wanted and build exactly the structure he wanted, a "club like us"? He couldn't be less of a fit for what we are tbh. I was talking more about the financial constraints, mate. I genuinely feel Moyes would be better for us than Martinez, given what we are and where we are. Better candidate at a club with money? Yet he's been able to win an FA Cup and now do a good job with Everton without spunking the cash. Moyes has had more money available to him as well as a better team and done far worse this season. Martinez is a manager that has his philosophy about football and never backs down from trying to pass his way to wins rather than switch tactics every game depending on opposition. He plays to his strengths not opponents weaknesses. I'd have Martinez here any day of the week over Moyes, especially considering he's never really had a club where he could attract very good players. Now that doesn't mean I wouldn't have Moyes here. I think Moyes is a good manager, I've just always held high regard for Martinez management style. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Both Moyes and Martinez are on between six and ten times what Pardew earns, basic. So it's a moot discussion before you even look at the control they would want over the squad and that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Listening to the media lay into Moyes and his excuses this morning is sickening when compared to the standard 'shut up Geordies, you're 9th' wank. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I can accept anything so long as our manager shows ingenuity, honesty and a drive to win games. If it doesn't work? Fine. Last guy to do it was Keegan and he's my hero. Yeah this is where I'm at. Thank you for writing my feelings down for me, much appreciated. You're walcome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 People would take Moyes over Martinez given the choice? Madness! Nah, what's madness is to laugh off the choice like you just have. This is Martinez' first big job, he's done absolutely nothing wrong so far but it's still only 1 season. Although I think he looks a better manager than Moyes he's hardly proven it yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 People would take Moyes over Martinez given the choice? Madness! Nah, what's madness is to laugh off the choice like you just have. This is Martinez' first big job, he's done absolutely nothing wrong so far but it's still only 1 season. Although I think he looks a better manager than Moyes he's hardly proven it yet. He's done nothing so far? I agree that you can't laugh off choices, but are you seriously trying to tell yourself he's done nothing so far? In his first season he's close to doing what Moyes did as his best during his tenure at Everton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 People would take Moyes over Martinez given the choice? Madness! Nah, what's madness is to laugh off the choice like you just have. This is Martinez' first big job, he's done absolutely nothing wrong so far but it's still only 1 season. Although I think he looks a better manager than Moyes he's hardly proven it yet. He's done nothing so far? I agree that you can't laugh off choices, but are you seriously trying to tell yourself he's done nothing so far? In his first season he's close to doing what Moyes did as his best during his tenure at Everton. Jesus fucking Christ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 People would take Moyes over Martinez given the choice? Madness! Nah, what's madness is to laugh off the choice like you just have. This is Martinez' first big job, he's done absolutely nothing wrong so far but it's still only 1 season. Although I think he looks a better manager than Moyes he's hardly proven it yet. He's done nothing so far? I agree that you can't laugh off choices, but are you seriously trying to tell yourself he's done nothing so far? In his first season he's close to doing what Moyes did as his best during his tenure at Everton. Jesus f***ing Christ. Yeah. It's to early. Just woke up. Sorry about that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 it's alright. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I thought Hanz was going crazy for real... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 People would take Moyes over Martinez given the choice? Madness! Nah, what's madness is to laugh off the choice like you just have. This is Martinez' first big job, he's done absolutely nothing wrong so far but it's still only 1 season. Although I think he looks a better manager than Moyes he's hardly proven it yet. Aye, it is very early days for Martinez. Looks like he's going to get a 5th place finish, just needs to win manager of the year and he'll be on a par with Pardew... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 "Better" is subjective. Moyes does some things better, Martinez does others better. If I could have either tomorrow, it would be the latter 100% but that doesn't mean I don't think Moyes is very capable. Personally I've had it with managers that take an overly cautious approach to the game. After 3 years of Pardew's dross, I need to be excited, I want to look forward to watching us again. Life's too short. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 "Better" is subjective. Moyes does some things better, Martinez does others better. If I could have either tomorrow, it would be the latter 100% but that doesn't mean I don't think Moyes is very capable. Personally I've had it with managers that take an overly cautious approach to the game. After 3 years of Pardew's dross, I need to be excited, I want to look forward to watching us again. Life's too short. My feeling exactly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Nah, if you prefer Moyes over Martinez, you're off your nut, like. Doesn't even need a second thought. 11 days he had to prepare for that match on Sunday and his players didn't have the first clue what to do. Managed to make Rooney/Mata/Kagawa look like a laughing stock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Pinkman Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Not to sure if Giggs but paddy power offering 3/1 on Moyes next job to be Newcastle! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 We'll not get a proven PL manager to replace Pardew unless halfway through a relegation battle. We'll do well to get the next Moyes, Martinez or whoever Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Purely depends on what you want for the manager. I'd quite like to see this club actually build itself up into something consistently good, I'd have far more confidence in Moyes creating that platform for us in our current state than Martinez. If I was basing it on more short-term stuff and wanting instantly entertaining football, I'd choose Martinez. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 4:20. That's from last Monday too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 "Better" is subjective. Moyes does some things better, Martinez does others better. If I could have either tomorrow, it would be the latter 100% but that doesn't mean I don't think Moyes is very capable. Personally I've had it with managers that take an overly cautious approach to the game. After 3 years of Pardew's dross, I need to be excited, I want to look forward to watching us again. Life's too short. I'd take anything right now, I could take cautious football if it meant we had someone good at the helm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Grim that's a good one. We're not even close. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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