Dave Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Assuming Pardew isn't going anywhere, which would be preferable? A. Continue to bring in foreign players he is unwilling or unable to use correctly in the hope things click. eg Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa. B. Bring in more players with domestic experience, almost certainly of lower quality but that he can probably work with effectively. eg James Tomkins. Genuine question, because I'm not sure. Obviously as a general rule I want to see more talented players, but what's the point if they don't play or just play badly and we're losing matches left, right and centre? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I tell you what i'm worried about this summer, we need at least 5 players imo. Now whether Ashley will allow that is obviously debatable. But my massive worry is if we let this f***ing idiot choose the players. I'm 100% certain he would prefer, James Tompkins over MYM etc. I truly dread to think what players would come in if he had his way. I can't imagine Ashley allowing Pardew to buy any players, it's not about what players we need, it's about who we can get at a knock down price with a view to making a profit. Besides Ashley has been burned by allowing the wrong people to be in charge of transfers (in his eyes) before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Assuming Pardew isn't going anywhere, which would be preferable? A. Continue to bring in foreign players he is unwilling or unable to use correctly in the hope things click. eg Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa. B. Bring in more players with domestic experience of lower quality but that he can probably work with effectively. eg James Tomkins. Genuine question, because I'm not sure. Obviously as a general rule I want to see more talented players, but what's the point if they don't play or just play badly? If we go with what Pardew wants we will definitely go down. There was a reason he was a failed League One manager, he's rank bad. I think the players he's been given have kept him in the job longer than he should have been, due to their skill. You bring in bog standard cloggers like what he wants, then we will never have any of the magic he so likes. And how awful would we be to watch, we're fucking terrible now as it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I tell you what i'm worried about this summer, we need at least 5 players imo. Now whether Ashley will allow that is obviously debatable. But my massive worry is if we let this f***ing idiot choose the players. I'm 100% certain he would prefer, James Tompkins over MYM etc. I truly dread to think what players would come in if he had his way. I can't imagine Ashley allowing Pardew to buy any players, it's not about what players we need, it's about who we can get at a knock down price with a view to making a profit. Besides Ashley has been burned by allowing the wrong people to be in charge of transfers (in his eyes) before. Aye, funnily enough if we do buy i would rather Ashley went with Carr's bargains. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Assuming Pardew isn't going anywhere, which would be preferable? A. Continue to bring in foreign players he is unwilling or unable to use correctly in the hope things click. eg Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa. B. Bring in more players with domestic experience, almost certainly of lower quality but that he can probably work with effectively. eg James Tomkins. Genuine question, because I'm not sure. Obviously as a general rule I want to see more talented players, but what's the point if they don't play or just play badly and we're losing matches left, right and centre? A. Bring in quality, skilful foreign players that he can't/won't use and finally sack him for his incompetence and inability to improve said players whilst doing nothing but devaluing Ashley's investments. Is that an option? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Assuming Pardew isn't going anywhere, which would be preferable? A. Continue to bring in foreign players he is unwilling or unable to use correctly in the hope things click. eg Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa. B. Bring in more players with domestic experience, almost certainly of lower quality but that he can probably work with effectively. eg James Tomkins. Genuine question, because I'm not sure. Obviously as a general rule I want to see more talented players, but what's the point if they don't play or just play badly and we're losing matches left, right and centre? I thought Pardew had a say with Carr over transfers, when we last made some. *resisted the urge to use ancient names to poke fun at our non existent transfer policy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I don't believe he'd be any better with the latter. His gameplan here has always been to keep it tight and bank on the talent having "magic" in their boots. Take away the magic and what's left? Literally can't think of anything worse than buying players Alan Pardew wants and I include genocide in that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Assuming Pardew isn't going anywhere, which would be preferable? A. Continue to bring in foreign players he is unwilling or unable to use correctly in the hope things click. eg Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa. B. Bring in more players with domestic experience, almost certainly of lower quality but that he can probably work with effectively. eg James Tomkins. Genuine question, because I'm not sure. Obviously as a general rule I want to see more talented players, but what's the point if they don't play or just play badly and we're losing matches left, right and centre? A. I think with those we can still get 8th-ish in spite of Pardew. Go down route B. and we're going down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I don't believe he'd be any better with the latter. His gameplan here has always been to keep it tight and bank on the talent having "magic" in their boots. Take away the magic and what's left? Literally can't think of anything worse than buying players Alan Pardew wants and I include genocide in that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I don't believe he'd be any better with the latter. His gameplan here has always been to keep it tight and bank on the talent having "magic" in their boots. Take away the magic and what's left? Literally can't think of anything worse than buying players Alan Pardew wants and I include genocide in that. I laugh because such a statement must be a joke then it dawns on me I agree 100% Pardew being allowed to buy his players will relegate us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Funicide when Pardew sets up. ...Not that we can see it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikri Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Assuming Pardew isn't going anywhere, which would be preferable? A. Continue to bring in foreign players he is unwilling or unable to use correctly in the hope things click. eg Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa. B. Bring in more players with domestic experience, almost certainly of lower quality but that he can probably work with effectively. eg James Tomkins. Genuine question, because I'm not sure. Obviously as a general rule I want to see more talented players, but what's the point if they don't play or just play badly and we're losing matches left, right and centre? I'd rather see good players used badly than poor players used well. Just occasionally under Pardew things have clicked and the players have put together a few minutes of play that's genuinely enjoyable to watch. Italy in 2008 were a technically brilliant team that simply didn't concede goals, it was somewhat fascinating to watch players play horrible football so well but if I had watch it week after week I'd lose all interest in the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 @RobScanlon_TV Interviewed Yoan Gouffran today who said Alan Pardew was as angry as he's seen him in the dressing room after the Spurs defeat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 @RobScanlon_TV Interviewed Yoan Gouffran today who said Alan Pardew was as angry as he's seen him in the dressing room after the Spurs defeat At himself, I hope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 @RobScanlon_TV Interviewed Yoan Gouffran today who said Alan Pardew was as angry as he's seen him in the dressing room after the Spurs defeat At himself, I hope. Of course not. He's never to blame. Silly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 @RobScanlon_TV Interviewed Yoan Gouffran today who said Alan Pardew was as angry as he's seen him in the dressing room after the Spurs defeat At himself, I hope. Of course not. He's never to blame. Silly. Well I hope he really laid into Benny and Marv, those lazy fuckers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 He stood in his little box and passively watched the entire shitfest unfold before him. He did nothing to cajole or encourage his team and they responded by laying down. Hope he went fucking ments at them and I also hope they told him to get fucked. He can't motivate them into giving the first fuck any more, he's lost them imo. That's certainly how it looks to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 He stood in his little box and passively watched the entire shitfest unfold before him. He did nothing to cajole or encourage his team and they responded by laying down. Hope he went f***ing ments at them and I also hope they told him to get f***ed. He can't motivate them into giving the first f*** any more, he's lost them imo. That's certainly how it looks to me. We'll have a better idea if he's lost the players on Sunday, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 @RobScanlon_TV Interviewed Yoan Gouffran today who said Alan Pardew was as angry as he's seen him in the dressing room after the Spurs defeat At himself, I hope. Of course not. He's never to blame. Silly. Well I hope he really laid into Benny and Marv, those lazy f***ers. Couldn't even be arsed to play a whole match! Tossers! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wacko Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Assuming Pardew isn't going anywhere, which would be preferable? A. Continue to bring in foreign players he is unwilling or unable to use correctly in the hope things click. eg Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa. B. Bring in more players with domestic experience, almost certainly of lower quality but that he can probably work with effectively. eg James Tomkins. Genuine question, because I'm not sure. Obviously as a general rule I want to see more talented players, but what's the point if they don't play or just play badly and we're losing matches left, right and centre? So what you're asking is: Assuming we have a shit manager, do we: A. Bring in good players he can't conceive what to do with, or B. Bring in shit players he can effectively work with? The obvious answer is "sack the fuck out of Pardew". He has previous wrt being "lumped with" players who are so damn good that he literally didn't know what to do with them (cf. Tevez & Mascherano). How are you supposed to do better than mid table with a manager that has no conception of how to do better than that? Fucker would contrive to come in mid table with Barcelona's squad. As a supporter of a team almost dismantled by Hodgson, I know whereof I speak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 So what you're asking is: Assuming we have a shit manager, do we: A. Bring in good players he can't conceive what to do with, or B. Bring in shit players he can effectively work with? The obvious answer is "sack the fuck out of Pardew". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 In all fairness though, a mixture of the two is the only answer. Ie - bringing in good players from exploitable markets, but who are actually tailored to fit a system. Instead of being targeted purely due to their contractual appeal. That's what proper clubs do, anyway. Clubs that have a discernible footballing philosophy. Clubs who give a shit. We're none of those things so - when we do bother ourselves to sign anyone - it will continue via a backwards and rigid transfer policy. It has as much danger of working-out okay as it does of working-out hopelessly, and that appears to be something Ashley is willing to risk. Probably cos he doesn't have a fucking clue what a corner flag is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 @RobScanlon_TV Interviewed Yoan Gouffran today who said Alan Pardew was as angry as he's seen him in the dressing room after the Spurs defeat At himself, I hope. Why should Pardew worry..? He's got the backing of such an outstanding figure of literary prowess in the unshaven Samuel to spout his propaganda.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 i honestly don't think it is an easy task for a manager to utilize a player that does not fit into his style of football., just like how Viana was wasted under SBR. Obviously the majority here don't think it is a difficult one, and believe that a "better" manager must be able to bring the best out from all the players. my genuine question is, say if we got Bielsa, the club told him that currently Hatem is the only option and not prepared to buy players he wants that suit his 343, and as a result Bielsa failed to improve our results, whats your take then? Support Bielsa to have more say on transfer based on his record in the past, or trust Carr more because Bielsa failed to bring the best out of the current group and getting a less than decent results? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJR99 Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 i honestly don't think it is an easy task for a manager to utilize a player that does not fit into his style of football., just like how Viana was wasted under SBR. Obviously the majority here don't think it is a difficult one, and believe that a "better" manager must be able to bring the best out from all the players. I don't think it's that a manager is expected to bring the best of a player out while playing "his" style. Its that a manager should be able to adjust or even change their style based on the players he has. We have Ben Arfa. His abilities and skills do not work in a long-ball defensive side where he has to track back and help a LB/RB defend. Both CM's (Tiote and Anita) are not so great at launching counter attacks but are fairly good defensively. So why force the into roles they are not good at? How about changing the marking so that one of the CM's shift to help out and have Ben Arfa wait in the CM to launch a counter with the ball at his feet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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