Guest chopey Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 It's all about man utd for the rest of the season we are just an insignificant team from the north east that makes the numbers up .........just how Ashley likes it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Funny how Moyes is the proven one when its Martinez with the trophy to his name. That's one of the dumbest things you've said, and by God you've said some dumb things. He also has a relegation to his name, if we're going to make stupid arguments. Moyes is a good manager. Martinez is a good manager. Martinez has benefited massively from the foundation that Moyes built at Everton. His teams leaked goals for fun at Wigan, and he wasn't able to fix it over three God damn years, that's how good he was. Moyes created a solid foundation and Martinez has expanded on it, but credit still must be given to Moyes for building the team. Let's judge Everton three years down the line when Martinez has time to sign more players like Alcaraz and that gimp he spent £5m on who hasn't done shit. Yes his philosophy is to be admired and yes Everton have been brilliant to watch, but Moyes' track record is far better because he experienced sustained success. Martinez's success so far has been fleeting. I'd take Moyes over Martinez if I had to pick one manager today for our club, given our (self imposed) financial constraints. Martinez is the better candidate if you have the money to sign the best players but we don't and won't ever, and Moyes has proven himself at a club like us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Funny how Moyes is the proven one when its Martinez with the trophy to his name. That's one of the dumbest things you've said, and by God you've said some dumb things. He also has a relegation to his name, if we're going to make stupid arguments. Moyes is a good manager. Martinez is a good manager. Martinez has benefited massively from the foundation that Moyes built at Everton. His teams leaked goals for fun at Wigan, and he wasn't able to fix it over three God damn years, that's how good he was. Moyes created a solid foundation and Martinez has expanded on it, but credit still must be given to Moyes for building the team. Let's judge Everton three years down the line when Martinez has time to sign more players like Alcaraz and that gimp he spent £5m on who hasn't done shit. Yes his philosophy is to be admired and yes Everton have been brilliant to watch, but Moyes' track record is far better because he experienced sustained success. Martinez's success so far has been fleeting. I'd take Moyes over Martinez if I had to pick one manager today for our club, given our (self imposed) financial constraints. Martinez is the better candidate if you have the money to sign the best players but we don't and won't ever, and Moyes has proven himself at a club like us. How are Everton, where Moyes had free rein to buy exactly the players he wanted and build exactly the structure he wanted, a "club like us"? He couldn't be less of a fit for what we are tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Moyes over-acheived on a limited budget at Everton, no question about that. And I don't remember too many people moaning about the quality of their football, though obviously it was limited by the players at his disposal. The Man U situation shows up how good Ferguson was, rather than how poor Moyes is. Over the last four years or so, on paper, that team should never have been winning the Premiership. On reflection, the pressure was always going to be greater on Moyes, as a manager who didn't have a track record of trophies. It needed a big name like Van Gaal to deal with the inevitable slippage once Ferguson had gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wacko Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Man Utd was a poisoned chalice for Moyes, imo. There aren't any bigger boots to fill, and the only way was down, more or less. He won't get the time to grow into the job, and his successor will be in a much better position. He did an exceptional job at Everton. No two ways about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Man Utd was a poisoned chalice for Moyes, imo. There aren't any bigger boots to fill, and the only way was down, more or less. He won't get the time to grow into the job, and his successor will be in a much better position. He did an exceptional job at Everton. No two ways about it. This isn't just you, Wacko. But I keep noticing people on here saying phrases that pardew would say and it really fucks me off Gannin' on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Listening to the media lay into Moyes and his excuses this morning is sickening when compared to the standard 'shut up Geordies, you're 9th' wank. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Funny how Moyes is the proven one when its Martinez with the trophy to his name. That's one of the dumbest things you've said, and by God you've said some dumb things. He also has a relegation to his name, if we're going to make stupid arguments. Moyes is a good manager. Martinez is a good manager. Martinez has benefited massively from the foundation that Moyes built at Everton. His teams leaked goals for fun at Wigan, and he wasn't able to fix it over three God damn years, that's how good he was. Moyes created a solid foundation and Martinez has expanded on it, but credit still must be given to Moyes for building the team. Let's judge Everton three years down the line when Martinez has time to sign more players like Alcaraz and that gimp he spent £5m on who hasn't done shit. Yes his philosophy is to be admired and yes Everton have been brilliant to watch, but Moyes' track record is far better because he experienced sustained success. Martinez's success so far has been fleeting. I'd take Moyes over Martinez if I had to pick one manager today for our club, given our (self imposed) financial constraints. Martinez is the better candidate if you have the money to sign the best players but we don't and won't ever, and Moyes has proven himself at a club like us. How are Everton, where Moyes had free rein to buy exactly the players he wanted and build exactly the structure he wanted, a "club like us"? He couldn't be less of a fit for what we are tbh. I was talking more about the financial constraints, mate. I genuinely feel Moyes would be better for us than Martinez, given what we are and where we are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I see my point went straight over your head there Pip.... All I'm saying is Martinez has nothing to prove i wasn't comparing them at all. It's just funny that the game is about winning things, Martinez has and he has to prove something apparently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Mole man fucking hell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I would take Martinez over Moyes any day of the week but I'm honestly not sure how any manager would get on here, I would just go with the most positive choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest labrowski Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I would go with a manager that can play a player in their correct position for a start Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I can accept anything so long as our manager shows ingenuity, honesty and a drive to win games. If it doesn't work? Fine. Last guy to do it was Keegan and he's my hero. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I can accept anything so long as our manager shows ingenuity, honesty and a drive to win games. If it doesn't work? Fine. Last guy to do it was Keegan and he's my hero. Yeah this is where I'm at. Thank you for writing my feelings down for me, much appreciated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 People would take Moyes over Martinez given the choice? Madness! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Funny how Moyes is the proven one when its Martinez with the trophy to his name. That's one of the dumbest things you've said, and by God you've said some dumb things. He also has a relegation to his name, if we're going to make stupid arguments. Moyes is a good manager. Martinez is a good manager. Martinez has benefited massively from the foundation that Moyes built at Everton. His teams leaked goals for fun at Wigan, and he wasn't able to fix it over three God damn years, that's how good he was. Moyes created a solid foundation and Martinez has expanded on it, but credit still must be given to Moyes for building the team. Let's judge Everton three years down the line when Martinez has time to sign more players like Alcaraz and that gimp he spent £5m on who hasn't done s***. Yes his philosophy is to be admired and yes Everton have been brilliant to watch, but Moyes' track record is far better because he experienced sustained success. Martinez's success so far has been fleeting. I'd take Moyes over Martinez if I had to pick one manager today for our club, given our (self imposed) financial constraints. Martinez is the better candidate if you have the money to sign the best players but we don't and won't ever, and Moyes has proven himself at a club like us. How are Everton, where Moyes had free rein to buy exactly the players he wanted and build exactly the structure he wanted, a "club like us"? He couldn't be less of a fit for what we are tbh. I was talking more about the financial constraints, mate. I genuinely feel Moyes would be better for us than Martinez, given what we are and where we are. Better candidate at a club with money? Yet he's been able to win an FA Cup and now do a good job with Everton without spunking the cash. Moyes has had more money available to him as well as a better team and done far worse this season. Martinez is a manager that has his philosophy about football and never backs down from trying to pass his way to wins rather than switch tactics every game depending on opposition. He plays to his strengths not opponents weaknesses. I'd have Martinez here any day of the week over Moyes, especially considering he's never really had a club where he could attract very good players. Now that doesn't mean I wouldn't have Moyes here. I think Moyes is a good manager, I've just always held high regard for Martinez management style. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Both Moyes and Martinez are on between six and ten times what Pardew earns, basic. So it's a moot discussion before you even look at the control they would want over the squad and that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Listening to the media lay into Moyes and his excuses this morning is sickening when compared to the standard 'shut up Geordies, you're 9th' wank. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I can accept anything so long as our manager shows ingenuity, honesty and a drive to win games. If it doesn't work? Fine. Last guy to do it was Keegan and he's my hero. Yeah this is where I'm at. Thank you for writing my feelings down for me, much appreciated. You're walcome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 People would take Moyes over Martinez given the choice? Madness! Nah, what's madness is to laugh off the choice like you just have. This is Martinez' first big job, he's done absolutely nothing wrong so far but it's still only 1 season. Although I think he looks a better manager than Moyes he's hardly proven it yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 People would take Moyes over Martinez given the choice? Madness! Nah, what's madness is to laugh off the choice like you just have. This is Martinez' first big job, he's done absolutely nothing wrong so far but it's still only 1 season. Although I think he looks a better manager than Moyes he's hardly proven it yet. He's done nothing so far? I agree that you can't laugh off choices, but are you seriously trying to tell yourself he's done nothing so far? In his first season he's close to doing what Moyes did as his best during his tenure at Everton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 People would take Moyes over Martinez given the choice? Madness! Nah, what's madness is to laugh off the choice like you just have. This is Martinez' first big job, he's done absolutely nothing wrong so far but it's still only 1 season. Although I think he looks a better manager than Moyes he's hardly proven it yet. He's done nothing so far? I agree that you can't laugh off choices, but are you seriously trying to tell yourself he's done nothing so far? In his first season he's close to doing what Moyes did as his best during his tenure at Everton. Jesus fucking Christ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 People would take Moyes over Martinez given the choice? Madness! Nah, what's madness is to laugh off the choice like you just have. This is Martinez' first big job, he's done absolutely nothing wrong so far but it's still only 1 season. Although I think he looks a better manager than Moyes he's hardly proven it yet. He's done nothing so far? I agree that you can't laugh off choices, but are you seriously trying to tell yourself he's done nothing so far? In his first season he's close to doing what Moyes did as his best during his tenure at Everton. Jesus f***ing Christ. Yeah. It's to early. Just woke up. Sorry about that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 it's alright. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I thought Hanz was going crazy for real... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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