Alan '48 points' Pardew

[Taylor Swift]

Bruce kept Wigan comfortably in the Premier League. People say that Wigan team was full of shit, well, 90% of them was signed by Martinez so guess what that says about him. He's done brilliantly this season and his career record is good but let's not be so quick to proclaim him better than someone whose ten year stretch in the Premier League was one of the best of his time. I'm ignoring the philosophy and attitude, let's just talk about results.

[triggs]

Somebody just text in sky sports news "man utd need an English manager, obvious choice Alan Pardew" from Steve in Newcastle

[Varadi]

Somebody just text in sky sports news "man utd need an English manager, obvious choice Alan Pardew" from Steve in Newcastle

 

I'm sure he'll be along shortly to rule himself out.

[Beren]

Somebody just text in sky sports news "man utd need an English manager, obvious choice Alan Pardew" from Steve in Newcastle

 

Get in.

[Guest DebuchyAndTheBeast]

[Ryan_Taylor]

[Jesse Pinkman]

Somebody just text in sky sports news "man utd need an English manager, obvious choice Alan Pardew" from Steve in Newcastle

 

It's probably Steve Stone!

[Ndegwa]

Well yeah, Bruce did a great job at Wigan when they finished mid table. During martinez's reign, teams around them spent money and better players came into the league overall so he did well to maintain PL status (until the last season) whilst developing his footballing philosophy so I would argue that he did an even better job than Bruce. I actually think Bruce is a decent manager too.

 

Moyes did fantastic for a decade yes but the league is evolving, especially tactically and stylistically- PL teams are now employing more ball-players and less 6ft gym freaks in their ever evolving formations and set ups, becoming more continental in their approach to the game and I don't want us to be left behind. even Pulis has seen this and palace have been playing some wicked stuff since he's been appointed, far better aesthetically than anything Pardew has ever produced and it's been successful. I believe that managers like Pardew and Moyes won't survive this revolution unless they drastically alter their approach, which won't happen.

 

Neither Moyes or Martinez will come here. But I would prefer a Martinez-style manager over a Moyes-style one any day. We need to look to the future, the way the game's going and also to entertain the fans who have suffered watching this cancerous shite week in week out.

[Flip]

I'm sorry but people who are talking about Martinez and Bruce should look at the facts. When Bruce left they sold most their players that had helped him like Cattermole, Valencia and Amr Zaki who had scored many goals for Wigan at the time.

 

He surely didn't buy the best, but he had no money and his only outlet was to take risks on SA players like Boselli who failed compeletely. He also had to sell Moses who he bought as well as N'Zogbia who was great.

 

To compare Martinez record with Bruce is harsh, his Wigan team was full of shit, but he still won an FA Cup and played very good football. The day I saw Caldwell try to pass it out on every occasion from the back was the day I knew Martinez liked football.

[Dinho lad]

Moyes had 10 or so successful years at Everton, man.

 

Is that right? So what were his successful achievements as the Everton manager?

 

Ah howay man, wait for Ronaldo to log on again.  Everton went about 5 transfer windows without spending any money whatsoever and he still had them top-6.  And he actually appeared to have some involvement in signing the players and developing them.  Players like Cahill, Arteta, Piennar, Baines, Fellaini etc.

 

It's incredible how much people have forgotten in less than 12 months, aye Moyes didn't seem the natural choice for Man Utd at the time but most felt he was deserving of a shot at it, due to the excellent job he'd done at Everton.

 

The only reason I wouldn't necessarily want Moyes here is Hatem Ben Arfa, and Neil's accounts on how Moyes isn't the biggest fan of flair. But since that ship has most likely sailed already, why the hell not.

 

Just fucking stop.

[The College Dropout]

This whole Moyes vs Martinez debate isn't really a viable one is it? We talking about Martinez in hindsight? Or if we would take him now that he's at Everton? I think should Martinez leave Everton any time soon, he'll have much bigger fish to fry unfortunately. I reckon he'll be there a while, and at this juncture, leaving Everton to come to NUFC would be a sideways step unless we get a multi-billionaire owner.

Very kind to us. Under Ashley it is simply a lie

[themanupstairs]

This whole Moyes vs Martinez debate isn't really a viable one is it? We talking about Martinez in hindsight? Or if we would take him now that he's at Everton? I think should Martinez leave Everton any time soon, he'll have much bigger fish to fry unfortunately. I reckon he'll be there a while, and at this juncture, leaving Everton to come to NUFC would be a sideways step unless we get a multi-billionaire owner.

Very kind to us. Under Ashley it is simply a lie

 

What's the lie like? 

[The College Dropout]

Us being a sideways step from Everton. It's a step in the wrong direction

[Away Toon]

Most fans, well certainly on here anyhow, prioritise being entertained over purely the results, after all Pardew did get us a 5th and probably a 9th or 10th this time. The problem is that the football is awful, no discernible pattern of play, set up to counter the opposition rather than play to our strengths. Moyes would give us a lot of the same though hopefully without plunging to the levels of ineptness that Pardew regularly comes up with.

 

Personally I like to be entertained for 90 minutes, I can handle not being the best team in the world, but being the most boring, that just sucks.

[TRon]

Moyes over Martinez? How Martinez kept that shower of s**** in the PL for so long is incredible, surely that's overachieving on a budget too? Has everyone officially been Pardewed?!!

 

 

Martinez didn't really go a great job at Wigan, when you consider Steve Bruce had them in 11th in 08/09. He shouldn't be hugely respected for keeping them about as perennial relegation scrappers. If I recall correctly, he did spend some dosh on real dross while there too.

 

People used this argument against Brendan Rodgers as well when he went to Liverpool - "he just inherited the good work done by Martinez". Rodgers has proved conclusively that having strong passing principles is the key to success. Moyes took big lad Fellaini to man U. I think that's all I need to say about that. He's a decent manager, but we need to look to the future.

[BottledDog]

People would take Moyes over Martinez given the choice?

 

Madness!

Nah, what's madness is to laugh off the choice like you just have. This is Martinez' first big job, he's done absolutely nothing wrong so far but it's still only 1 season. Although I think he looks a better manager than Moyes he's hardly proven it yet.

 

In a theoretical debate on who I'd prefer to come in and get the best out of someone like Ben Arfa and give us something ambitious and fun to watch I'd pick Martinez every time.

 

And that is far from being based on one season. Have admired Martinez since he first came to prominence. Great mentality. He may be a good manager, but still have considerably less love for Moyes.

[Tachikoma]

Moyes had 10 or so successful years at Everton, man.

 

Is that right? So what were his successful achievements as the Everton manager?

 

Ah howay man, wait for Ronaldo to log on again.  Everton went about 5 transfer windows without spending any money whatsoever and he still had them top-6.  And he actually appeared to have some involvement in signing the players and developing them.  Players like Cahill, Arteta, Piennar, Baines, Fellaini etc.

 

It's incredible how much people have forgotten in less than 12 months, aye Moyes didn't seem the natural choice for Man Utd at the time but most felt he was deserving of a shot at it, due to the excellent job he'd done at Everton.

 

The only reason I wouldn't necessarily want Moyes here is Hatem Ben Arfa, and Neil's accounts on how Moyes isn't the biggest fan of flair. But since that ship has most likely sailed already, why the hell not.

 

Just fucking stop.

 

Now I'm adamant that I wouldn't want Moyes here, because Dinho Lad wants him.

 

[Dinho lad]

Moyes had 10 or so successful years at Everton, man.

 

Is that right? So what were his successful achievements as the Everton manager?

 

Ah howay man, wait for Ronaldo to log on again.  Everton went about 5 transfer windows without spending any money whatsoever and he still had them top-6.  And he actually appeared to have some involvement in signing the players and developing them.  Players like Cahill, Arteta, Piennar, Baines, Fellaini etc.

 

It's incredible how much people have forgotten in less than 12 months, aye Moyes didn't seem the natural choice for Man Utd at the time but most felt he was deserving of a shot at it, due to the excellent job he'd done at Everton.

 

The only reason I wouldn't necessarily want Moyes here is Hatem Ben Arfa, and Neil's accounts on how Moyes isn't the biggest fan of flair. But since that ship has most likely sailed already, why the hell not.

 

Just fucking stop.

 

Now I'm adamant that I wouldn't want Moyes here, because Dinho Lad wants him.

 

 

Never said I did, tbh.

[Guest Dontooner]

There are plenty of average to slightly better than average managers out there...

Just sack this pile of shit.... gutless lying cunt!

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Moyes is a bang average manager, someone who can only do an effective job in certain conditions. He prefers hard working players over flair players. He sets his teams up not to lose as opposed to winning the game. Tactically his sides are very rudimentary based around work-rate, pressing and typically using a target man type figure up front to bully the opposition/launch attacks to.

 

He is very old skool in that regard. He's more of a PE teacher type 'coach' than a forward thinking philosopher of the game which is why he will never ever go anywhere in his career other than doing solid steady jobs at mediocre clubs, with the odd exceptional or stand out season. Everton was his stamp and always will be.

 

Yes that's better than what we have under Pardew, but I want to see some real progression in the development of players, ideas, styles and pattern of play at Newcastle in the way Wenger has brought to Graham's Arsenal, Rodgers to Dalglish's Liverpool, Laudrup to Swansea, Pochettino to Southampton and Martinez to Moyes' Everton etc.

 

Moyes is in the same league as Hughes, Big Sam, Pardew, Pulis et al, all limited average managers who get a side doing well based on hard graft, a set way of playing, old skool tactics and good old fashioned luck with injuries etc., but only in the right circumstances.

 

It is no coincidence that whenever Hughes, Big Sam or now Moyes has went up a level or been asked to go up a level, they have struggled and that's because the way they do things only ever works or will work is at certain clubs under certain criteria.

 

With coaches like Rodgers, Martinez, Pochettino etc. you just know they will be able to transfer their ideas and ways of playing to any side they managed. That's the type of manager I'd like to see at Newcastle and that's what we need if we are to become anything other than what we are.

 

Moyes would be a step up from Pardew, but all we ever would be under him is a more effective and more robust Pardew NUFC side and I don't want that, I want to see some shift in how we play. I want to see a revolution not a continuation of the same old same old.

 

Moyes didn't do wonders at Everton nor a great job, he did a good job nothing more. I work in Liverpool all the time and the general consensus among Everton fans is that he was a good fit for them, but every season was the same even when they would finish say 6th instead of 8th. They are loving Martinez who is like a breath of fresh air to them.

 

And I'm jealous as fuck

[Minhosa]

Moyes is a bang average manager, someone who can only do an effective job in certain conditions. He prefers hard working players over flair players. He sets his teams up not to lose as opposed to winning the game. Tactically his sides are very rudimentary based around work-rate, pressing and typically using a target man type figure up front to bully the opposition/launch attacks to.

 

He is very old skool in that regard. He's more of a PE teacher type 'coach' than a forward thinking philosopher of the game which is why he will never ever go anywhere in his career other than doing solid steady jobs at mediocre clubs, with the odd exceptional or stand out season. Everton was his stamp and always will be.

 

Yes that's better than what we have under Pardew, but I want to see some real progression in the development of players, ideas, styles and pattern of play at Newcastle in the way Wenger has brought to Graham's Arsenal, Rodgers to Dalglish's Liverpool, Laudrup to Swansea, Pochettino to Southampton and Martinez to Moyes' Everton etc.

 

Moyes is in the same league as Hughes, Big Sam, Pardew, Pulis et al, all limited average managers who get a side doing well based on hard graft, a set way of playing, old skool tactics and good old fashioned luck with injuries etc., but only in the right circumstances.

 

It is no coincidence that whenever Hughes, Big Sam or now Moyes has went up a level or been asked to go up a level, they have struggled and that's because the way they do things only ever works or will work is at certain clubs under certain criteria.

 

With coaches like Rodgers, Martinez, Pochettino etc. you just know they will be able to transfer their ideas and ways of playing to any side they managed. That's the type of manager I'd like to see at Newcastle and that's what we need if we are to become anything other than what we are.

 

Moyes would be a step up from Pardew, but all we ever would be under him is a more effective and more robust Pardew NUFC side and I don't want that, I want to see some shift in how we play. I want to see a revolution not a continuation of the same old same old.

 

Moyes didn't do wonders at Everton nor a great job, he did a good job nothing more. I work in Liverpool all the time and the general consensus among Everton fans is that he was a good fit for them, but every season was the same even when they would finish say 6th instead of 8th. They are loving Martinez who is like a breath of fresh air to them.

 

And I'm jealous as fuck

 

Totally agree with this. The way forward has to be based around a certain style of play throughout the whole club. A footballing mentality. An ethos.

 

The irony being that Rodgers, Poch, Laudrup and Martinez all got their current/latest jobs without significant compensation having to be paid.

 

MA won't see that though.

[Skeletor]

I think it was Wullie who said it earlier that we need a manager who's going to bring some excitement. You can't guarantee a manager will do a good job but certain managers you can bank on to deliver good football and excitement on the pitch. After nearly 3 and a half years of Pardball we all deserve that little bit of excitement on the pitch.

[Minhosa]

I think it was Wullie who said it earlier that we need a manager who's going to bring some excitement. You can't guarantee a manager will do a good job but certain managers you can bank on to deliver good football and excitement on the pitch. After nearly 3 and a half years of Pardball we all deserve that little bit of excitement on the pitch.

 

aye.

[Tachikoma]

So that leaves us with Carlos Bielsa and Laudrup?

 

Let's focus on getting Pardew out of the job first (fucking twitter).

[jdckelly]

christ there's some ridiculously selective memories, Moyes did an incredible job at Everton on a rather small budget brought in some excellent players for low prices and the quality of football progressively improved under him. We'd do very well to get him.