manchester united

[Geogaddi]

12 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

You're not being told that, but you're creating a narrative before we've even finalised anything with the player. We don't even have a verbal agreement with Mbeumo yet, but apparently we're blowing you out of the water. You have no idea what we'll offer him.

 

The fact that you believe that the only reason a player could possibly choose Manchester United over Newcastle United is wages is pretty incredible.

 

 

 

At this moment in time the main thing Man United can offer that we can't is huge wages . We have a much better manager with a much better first 11 and are in the champions league .  I know that eventually Man United will spend enough to get back to the top again but that's not going to be overnight so the lad isn't moving for that reason is he .

[Froggy]

2 minutes ago, Geogaddi said:

At this moment in time the main thing Man United can offer that we can't is huge wages . We have a much better manager with a much better first 11 and are in the champions league .  I know that eventually Man United will spend enough to get back to the top again but that's not going to be overnight so the lad isn't moving for that reason is he .

 

Football hasn't existed for just 12 months though has it. Mbeumo wasn't born in 2024.

[Wolfcastle]

So he's old enough to understand that a club on the up with an exciting project is attractive and a club thats currently not isn't attractive oh history alone - like all the players that chose Blackburn, Chelsea and Man City

[Froggy]

4 minutes ago, Wolfcastle said:

So he's old enough to understand that a club on the up with an exciting project is attractive and a club thats currently not isn't attractive oh history alone - like all the players that chose Blackburn, Chelsea and Man City

 

Are we not a project? New manager, new system, complete rebuild, new stadium.

 

We're basically doing the same thing as you except with huge history and a huge global fanbase behind us plus it's with Sir Jim's great British pounds and not middle east oil money. 

[Tonalis Bookie]

4 hours ago, Froggy said:

 

Capology doesn't claim to know the wages exactly though. In their words it uses "a network of insiders directly involved in contract negotiations as well as news publications around the world." 

 

It also uses reports from the likes of Ornstein, Whitwell etc. to make educated guesses on what the salary is.

 

It's as strong a resource as any when trying to figure out what players are paid.

 

Or I can literally just tell you  

[KaKa]

2 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Are we not a project? New manager, new system, complete rebuild, new stadium.

 

We're basically doing the same thing as you except with huge history and a huge global fanbase behind us plus it's with Sir Jim's great British pounds and not middle east oil money. 

 

Froggy man ...

 

I'm really sorry, but you are pitiful.

 

Did you just compare the farcical state your club is in to any kind of project, never mind ours?!

 

You don't even know for certain if your manager can deliver yet and most of the players at the club are ill suited to how he wants to play.

 

Your level of delusion is frightening.

 

The transfer window comes around with a few signings and you just can't help yourself.

 

This is exactly how you were getting carried away last summer after the so called great business you did.

[Tonalis Bookie]

10 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Are we not a project? New manager, new system, complete rebuild, new stadium.

 

We're basically doing the same thing as you except with huge history and a huge global fanbase behind us plus it's with Sir Jim's great British pounds and not middle east oil money. 

 

No, its not anything like NUFC and but for a war it would have been Middle East money

[Froggy]

13 minutes ago, Tonalis Bookie said:

Or I can literally just tell you  

 

Tell me what Cunha and Mbeumo are getting please if and when they sign. 

[Tonalis Bookie]

2 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Tell me what Cunha and Mbeumo are getting please if and when they sign. 

 

Happily, the moment it hits my WhatApp, I know 100% the Mbuemo reports are 'close' to the figure but theyre not there, its a little lower.

 

Friend looking for properties in Hale Barns for 1 of them

[Dr Venkman]

By Christ, do we need some transfer rumours.

[KennyUtd]

1 hour ago, Froggy said:

 

You're not being told that, but you're creating a narrative before we've even finalised anything with the player. We don't even have a verbal agreement with Mbeumo yet, but apparently we're blowing you out of the water. You have no idea what we'll offer him.

 

The fact that you believe that the only reason a player could possibly choose Manchester United over Newcastle United is wages is pretty incredible.

 

 

 

Howay man. You're telling me that Mbuemo is signing for you because, you know, United? When all we hear is players are desperate to play Champions League football and he might not get another chance. Yeah, you're a massive club still but he's going for the lucre. To a club who were, supposedly, gonna be skint by last Christmas. Yet can pay stupid money and wages for Cunha and Mbuemo. No idea why you're on here almost every day trying to convince everyone you're poor United. Fkn nonsense. I do hope for your own health that you're not on every other club's forums.

[Tonalis Bookie]

1 hour ago, Geogaddi said:

At this moment in time the main thing Man United can offer that we can't is huge wages . We have a much better manager with a much better first 11 and are in the champions league .  I know that eventually Man United will spend enough to get back to the top again but that's not going to be overnight so the lad isn't moving for that reason is he .

 

The thing with Man U is a bit like NY Giants and the Dallas Cowboys in the NFL, the commercial opportunities for players outside of the game are so much more considerable. If Bruno or Isak was at Man U, Liverpool or Arsenal they would be highlighted to much more and they make as much money outside the game as in it and this then opens up different life opportunities. Players get invited to different events etc because of their simple affiliation so as much as I hate to admit it, it isn't just wages and any good agent is highlighting this to all of their clients.

 

We are many many years from that even with CL football and it is something we may also be unable to offer due to the location in the country.

 

Mbuemo's opportunities are much higher at MUFC than they are at NUFC currently if we arent just talking about football. Like most people would, players look at whats going on in addition to their job and not the pure opportunities of achievement in their profession

[KennyUtd]

6 minutes ago, Tonalis Bookie said:

 

The thing with Man U is a bit like NY Giants and the Dallas Cowboys in the NFL, the commercial opportunities for players outside of the game are so much more considerable. If Bruno or Isak was at Man U, Liverpool or Arsenal they would be highlighted to much more and they make as much money outside the game as in it and this then opens up different life opportunities. Players get invited to different events etc because of their simple affiliation so as much as I hate to admit it, it isn't just wages and any good agent is highlighting this to all of their clients.

 

We are many many years from that even with CL football and it is something we may also be unable to offer due to the location in the country.

 

Mbuemo's opportunities are much higher at MUFC than they are at NUFC currently if we arent just talking about football. Like most people would, players look at whats going on in addition to their job and not the pure opportunities of achievement in their profession

You're probably right in some respects. Maybe instead of listing trophies and international caps we should say how many Monaco Grand Prix they were invited to. How many red carpets they were pictured on. The amount of Nivea ads they appeared on. 

[Tonalis Bookie]

1 minute ago, KennyUtd said:

You're probably right in some respects. Maybe instead of listing trophies and international caps we should say how many Monaco Grand Prix they were invited to. How many red carpets they were pictured on. The amount of Nivea ads they appeared on. 

 

Sadly mate to some that matters more

[KaKa]

21 minutes ago, Tonalis Bookie said:

 

The thing with Man U is a bit like NY Giants and the Dallas Cowboys in the NFL, the commercial opportunities for players outside of the game are so much more considerable. If Bruno or Isak was at Man U, Liverpool or Arsenal they would be highlighted to much more and they make as much money outside the game as in it and this then opens up different life opportunities. Players get invited to different events etc because of their simple affiliation so as much as I hate to admit it, it isn't just wages and any good agent is highlighting this to all of their clients.

 

We are many many years from that even with CL football and it is something we may also be unable to offer due to the location in the country.

 

Mbuemo's opportunities are much higher at MUFC than they are at NUFC currently if we arent just talking about football. Like most people would, players look at whats going on in addition to their job and not the pure opportunities of achievement in their profession

 

Yeah ...

 

Joining Man United was certainly a great career choice for the likes of Lukaku, Pogba, Sancho etc. Really propelled them to the top and allowed them to showcase their best as footballers.

 

But no matter. At least they got to go to lots of cool parties. Fantastic.

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 14:32 by KaKa

[Tonalis Bookie]

5 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Yeah ...

 

Joining Man United was certainly a great career choice for the likes of Lukaku, Pogba, Sancho etc. Really propelled them to the top and allowed them to showcase their best as footballers.

 

But no matter. At least they got to go to lots of cool parties. Fantastic.

 

 

 

 

I dont know if you have seen the alleged culture around those selected individuals but which do you think mattered to them more 

 

Some footballers dont want to be footballers, its a job and they take the benefits given to them outside the game

[KaKa]

Just now, Tonalis Bookie said:

 

I dont know if you have seen the alleged culture around those selected individuals but which do you think mattered to them more 

 

Some footballers dont want to be footballers, its a job and they take the benefits given to them outside the game

 

Yeah, I hear you. You're right 

 

I just can't believe how the finances they offer is being downplayed as a thing.

 

I'm not having it.

[ianbeany]

1 hour ago, Froggy said:

 

Are we not a project? New manager, new system, complete rebuild, new stadium.

 

We're basically doing the same thing as you except with huge history and a huge global fanbase behind us plus it's with Sir Jim's great British pounds and not middle east oil money. 

 

Your new manager and his super-duper new system has been absolutely shite so far though.   No guarantees at all a few new players are going to fix things.  Could  very well be just another false dawn.

 

Our 'project' is 100% proven to be working well. 

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

1 hour ago, Froggy said:

 

Are we not a project? New manager, new system, complete rebuild, new stadium.

 

We're basically doing the same thing as you except with huge history and a huge global fanbase behind us plus it's with Sir Jim's great British pounds and not middle east oil money. 

Is Monaco 🇲🇨 classed as Great Britain now like, don’t think tax exiles get to claim moral superiority in that regard I’m afraid, the Brexity, trampy, nonce that he is

[loki679]

It's like the 55 year old millionaire convinced his 20 year old model girlfriend is with him for his personality 

[Tonalis Bookie]

1 minute ago, KaKa said:

 

Yeah, I hear you. You're right 

 

I just can't believe how the finances they offer is being downplayed as a thing.

 

I'm not having it.

 

Oh I believe it cant be denied, I've worked on things where people purely go for the £££ and sacrifice the career success. I think it depends if youre in the game as much for money as success. In some cases they may not go hand in hand unless youre eating at the big table.

 

A lot may also depend on what you want to give your family if youre the only one who can provide generational wealth for 20 people. Easy to look at it as a fan and want to win everything but when somebody is offering money that means your brothers and sisters, your wifes family and your children / grandchildren never worry again thats a very big factor, especially depending where you came from. The Tevez story is very interesting on this if you have time for a good read

 

If we looked at mbuemo on 200k a week, 9.6m (7m ish after tax) or NUFC on 100k - 5.2m (3m after tax) then that 28m compared to the 12m for 4 years to last you 50 years looks horrifically different if youre supporting 10 people. So I do get it, personally I think id want the trophy as youre a long time retired with not all that much to do like before

[KaKa]

3 minutes ago, loki679 said:

It's like the 55 year old millionaire convinced his 20 year old model girlfriend is with him for his personality 

 

    

[KaKa]

3 minutes ago, Tonalis Bookie said:

 

Oh I believe it cant be denied, I've worked on things where people purely go for the £££ and sacrifice the career success. I think it depends if youre in the game as much for money as success. In some cases they may not go hand in hand unless youre eating at the big table.

 

A lot may also depend on what you want to give your family if youre the only one who can provide generational wealth for 20 people. Easy to look at it as a fan and want to win everything but when somebody is offering money that means your brothers and sisters, your wifes family and your children / grandchildren never worry again thats a very big factor, especially depending where you came from. The Tevez story is very interesting on this if you have time for a good read

 

If we looked at mbuemo on 200k a week, 9.6m (7m ish after tax) or NUFC on 100k - 5.2m (3m after tax) then that 28m compared to the 12m for 4 years to last you 50 years looks horrifically different if youre supporting 10 people. So I do get it, personally I think id want the trophy as youre a long time retired with not all that much to do like before

 

I have no issue with the players at all.

 

Like I said in a previous post. They're both 25 and so it's likely their last chance to maximise their earnings, because after this contract they'll then be in their 30s most likely.

 

It's these Man United fans trying to make out them signing is mostly down to their big club and it's prestige, and their fancy new project.

 

Nah, Nope 

[Tonalis Bookie]

 

4 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

I have no issue with the players at all.

 

Like I said in a previous post. They're both 25 and so it's likely their last chance to maximise their earnings, because after this contract they'll then be in their 30s most likely.

 

It's these Man United fans trying to make out them signing is mostly down to their big club and it's prestige, and their fancy new project.

 

Nah, Nope 

100% 

[Rocker]

39 minutes ago, ianbeany said:

 

Your new manager and his super-duper new system has been absolutely shite so far though.   No guarantees at all a few new players are going to fix things.  Could  very well be just another false dawn.

 

Our 'project' is 100% proven to be working well. 

I hope it continues to go as well as it's been performing so far.