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I agree with Froggy, no chance Amorim gets the sack and nor should he. They have to have a cull, even if it means losing vast amounts of money in the short term.

 

Amorim should have hired Roy Keane as a temporary assistant, merely for the purpose of terrorising the squad in the dressing room and setting some standards around the place. Once that phase is over, they can start thinking about building a side which can play Amorims football.

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20 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Every man and his dog knows that the culture is absolutely fucked at the club as well. A proper deep rot. We need to allow a manager to change it at some point. A manager with unwavering ideas is what we need I think. Anyone who isn't up to it, see you later. 

In simple terms, your board need to let Berrada and Amorim to do what Edu and Arteta did at Arsenal. That club was rotten to the core when Arteta was appointed, in not to dissimilar fashion to what Man United are now, for Rashford see Aubameyang etc. So even when they finished 8th, outside of Europe, and the pressure was mounting for him to be sacked, they stuck by the process as they could see the changes he was implementing inside the club, and how slowly with a investment in youth and the right characters, they've finally become competitive again. That process in relative terms didn't take all too long, 2/3 years or so, so there is a way out of this situation for Man United, they just need to be sure Amorim is the right guy, stick by him, and no have any kneejerk reactions. 

 

If you board and fanbase do that is another thing. I know he a clown that only care about enragement farming, but people like Goldbridge turning and questioning is not helpful in the slightest. 

 

All this is to say, I find this situation fascinating and hilarious in equal measure :lol: 

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Man Utd actually have a pretty exciting spine for a new manager to build on with Onana, Yoro, de Ligt, Ugarte, Mainoo, Höjlund and Zirkzee. Now Amorim has to develop them and unlock their full potential.
 

In the post-Fergie era ManUtd have been far too concerned with player recruitment only to forget player development which is equally as important and they main reason City and Liverpool have left them in the dust. City and Liverpool can recruit good players and develop them into elite players. Man utd can’t. If they’re ever going to catch up they have to change that.

 

I don’t think they will though. They will probably go on throwing money on their problems and their fanbase demanding an “open heart surgery” every two years.

 

Which makes me so grateful having a manager like Howe. A manager that can actually work with and improve upon what he already has.

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If Amorim was hired at the end of this season, I think it would be a magnificent appointment. He actually got a lot of ticks from me.

 

The direction is kinda obvious : just write off this season and let Amorim do whatever he want to. As long as Man Utd is not relegated, keep him and support him.

 

 

 

 

However, Ratcliffe. So I am afraid another few defeats would seal Amorims fate before February. 

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getting rid of Ashworth so quickly after months of negotiations, his compensation fee and all that shite in the media about being best in class, was absolutely staggering 

 

Ratcliffe doesn't strike me as the patient type, I think he expects Amorim to have a magic wand and will not settle for struggling in the bottom half for too long 

 

the scrutiny MU are under and the ignominy would likely be too much for Ratcliffe 

 

there's absolutely no chance of relegation this season or any season imo

 

in fact it would not surprise me in the least if he pulls a win out of the bag against us on Monday

 

MU always at their most dangerous when they're being written off, and losing 3 in a row at home is almost unheard of there 

 

 

 

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GeordieDazzler

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It’s feels very similar to Potter at Chelsea in that you hire a ‘training ground’ manager like Amorim and appoint him at the point of the season where you have minimal time on the training pitch outside preparing for the next game, each of which becomes more loaded the worse form gets. 
 

We always looked better when Howe had a bit of time to work with the players. 
 

Think Amorim will be given time but if there is a total collapse (next three games look scary for them) it might change things.

 

Just feels like inflicting unnecessary damage on his standing and reputation bringing him in when they did. 
 

 

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Bimpy474

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3 hours ago, Froggy said:

 

There is absolutely no chance Amorim gets sacked. The only situation where that's a realistic possibility is if we're in the Championship next season. 

 

The negotiations with him were long. Everyone knew the situation he was taking over. 

 

Serious question, what if the bad run continues. Not that i think it'll get this bad, but what if you do have a really bad run of results, and are flirting with relegation. Do you think they'll stand by him ?

 

I think they should, it's pains me to say it, but there's something about him that makes me think he'll make a success of it.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Froggy said:

 

I mean, Ashworth was wanking himself off silly at the thought of coming to us. He was an instant yes. 

 

The negotiations were with the club over his exit fee, not with Ashworth himself. 

It's comments like these that make me hope that Manchester Fucking United implode and go back into nothingness ;)

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3 hours ago, Froggy said:

 

He just seems like a very honest manager. I don't hate that he's answering questions with the truth. 

 

You're only seeing clips of what he's saying as well, as the media will snip the negative bits for headlines. There is plenty of positivity coming from him. 

 

I disagree with changing his ideas temporarily as well. He's addressed this a lot. It's better to implement this system now and suffer short term instead of bluffing our way into Europe playing hero ball with Fernandes and Rashford. We'll just be back to square one at the start of next season. 

 

Fully agree on your points about Rashford though. His sale benefits us in every way possible. The team, the negativity in the media, the money aspect etc. He has to go. Even when he's not playing it's a dark cloud over every game and the first question Amorim is asked is usually about Rashford. 

 

On his presentation, I watched 12 minutes of a press conference and virtually all the time he was literally wringing his hands. I've also seen him seated on the sidelines, head down in a picture of misery, staring at the ground. It's not just the media distorting things. And while there may well be lots of positive messages, it's not what you say, it's the way that you say it. 

 

I can't see that it's so necessary to implement his system right away. He can surely just use the existing system, and give himself time to get to know the players and strike up good relationships with them. His current state of urgency just looks like insecurity and an anxious need to stick with what is familiar ground to him.

 

Eddie Howe has spoken of the peculiar isolation which attaches to the position of Head Coach / Manager. The responsibility is huge, but the people above you have often never been in your position at all, and can only offer limited advice and support. I think Amorim is really feeling that at the moment.

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RUHRLYASLEEVESUP

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I have business in port de mos Portugal, For what it’s worth, to a man everyone who works in the factory (non benfica fans apart) all say the same thing, Amorim has taken the money and fair play but he’s a mile out of his depth 

 

sporting is a completely different beast to any premier league team, he may last this season but he won’t be there end of next season 

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2 minutes ago, RUHRLYASLEEVESUP said:

I have business in port de mos Portugal, For what it’s worth, to a man everyone who works in the factory (non benfica fans apart) all say the same thing, Amorim has taken the money and fair play but he’s a mile out of his depth 

 

sporting is a completely different beast to any premier league team, he may last this season but he won’t be there end of next season 

 

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https://www.thetimes.com/sport/football/article/eddie-howe-showing-manchester-united-what-they-are-missing-kzxzrvkkr

 

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Eddie Howe showing Manchester United what they are missing

 

Basically arguing that Howe would be the manager to help enable their players to perform or transition, using Schar and Joelinton as examples.

 

 

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Amorim to me just feels like potentially the right man, but at the wrong time. 

 

I get that managers have a way they want to play but so far it seems like he's on a hiding to nothing. 

 

Surely you have to implement a system to maximise performances from the players you've got. In the medium to long term by all means build towards something different but in the here and now the priority has to be with the hand you've been dealt. 

 

There's obviously deeper issues at the club that need sorting out, but I don't see this ending well. 

 

It's such a shit show there though that he'll get to walk away without any real damage to his reputation and with a nice payoff too. 

 

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