colinmk Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Well success for teams like manu is winning things in succession, not just a one off. I struggling to think of any that have achieved that without a good manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Not from last night but get this fucking glory hunting monger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 God, imagine being mates with that guy. Honking :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Not from last night but get this fucking glory hunting monger What a cretin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 http://i.imgur.com/cm2MDlq.png giz yer kids Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Chelsea when they won FA & CL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Moyes' Everton teams were never as suspect defensively as Man U are now. They were also miles behind any of Ferguson's in the attacking department. Man U won the league last year by outscoring the opposition, esp late in the game, not so much by dominating games from start to finish. They should either have appointed a more gung-ho manager, or will have to put up with all the disruption as they change to a Moyes team. The longer they spend transfer windows chasing after unobtainables like Fabregas, the longer such change will take. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 giz yer kids Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karjala Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Not from last night but get this fucking glory hunting monger What a cretin. that has to be a piss take? esp comparing them to their rivals players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 On the other hand, enough world class players can succeed no matter who the manager is. To a certain extent anyway. Good players will win you games just through moments of individual brilliance, as we have seen with Remy and Cabaye, but the successful managers tend to have a very effective style and method, they don't change that depending on which player is available on a given day like we do. You would never get Ferguson saying "Cabaye has gone so we are going to change our style a little bit". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Did you include Rafael? guy is absolutely rank Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 On the other hand, enough world class players can succeed no matter who the manager is. To a certain extent anyway. You would never get Ferguson saying "Cabaye has gone so we are going to change our style a little bit". You possibly would if the remaining midfielders couldn't create fuck all between them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 On the other hand, enough world class players can succeed no matter who the manager is. To a certain extent anyway. You would never get Ferguson saying "Cabaye has gone so we are going to change our style a little bit". You possibly would if the remaining midfielders couldn't create fuck all between them. Creative midfielders like Marveaux and Ben Arfa are a luxury when you need solid wingers like Gouffran and two defensive midfielders like Tiote and Anita, as I'm sure Pards would explain to you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Moyes' Everton teams were never as suspect defensively as Man U are now. They were also miles behind any of Ferguson's in the attacking department. As 1 dimensional as they have looked this season... this is the by worst playing issue. Absolute shambles at the back and defensively in midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 On the other hand, enough world class players can succeed no matter who the manager is. To a certain extent anyway. You would never get Ferguson saying "Cabaye has gone so we are going to change our style a little bit". You possibly would if the remaining midfielders couldn't create f*** all between them. But he did change styles when some of his best players left. Specifically Cronaldo out - Valencia in. That's going to change the style drastically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Moyes' Everton teams were never as suspect defensively as Man U are now. They were also miles behind any of Ferguson's in the attacking department. As 1 dimensional as they have looked this season... this is the by worst playing issue. Absolute shambles at the back and defensively in midfield. I don't think Sir Alex did ''The future Man U'' any favours when splashing huge money on Phil Jones and Smalling. I'm not saying they're necessarily bad players, but for the price they paid for both they could've gotten one proven defensive class player. I mean both went for a combined £25m which could've gotten them a really good player. Also, big big mistake not going for Cabaye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 On the other hand, enough world class players can succeed no matter who the manager is. To a certain extent anyway. You would never get Ferguson saying "Cabaye has gone so we are going to change our style a little bit". You possibly would if the remaining midfielders couldn't create fuck all between them. Creative midfielders like Marveaux and Ben Arfa are a luxury when you need solid wingers like Gouffran and two defensive midfielders like Tiote and Anita, as I'm sure Pards would explain to you. Ben Arfa's a winger. Anita, Sissoko and Tiote can't come close to giving a team what Cabaye can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Did you include Rafael? guy is absolutely rank So poor. Never seen him play a game where he hasn't done something that could get him sent off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Did you include Rafael? guy is absolutely rank So poor. Never seen him play a game where he hasn't done something that could get him sent off. I was saying this to someone the other day. I've literally never seen him play and not nearly get a red or two yellows. He's a pure radgie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 On the other hand, enough world class players can succeed no matter who the manager is. To a certain extent anyway. You would never get Ferguson saying "Cabaye has gone so we are going to change our style a little bit". You possibly would if the remaining midfielders couldn't create fuck all between them. Creative midfielders like Marveaux and Ben Arfa are a luxury when you need solid wingers like Gouffran and two defensive midfielders like Tiote and Anita, as I'm sure Pards would explain to you. Ben Arfa's a winger. Anita, Sissoko and Tiote can't come close to giving a team what Cabaye can. In which case a more positive manager would look to get more creative play from other areas of the pitch to replace what we lost when Cabaye left. Do you really need Tiote and Anita in the same side? How about swapping Haidara for Dummett to get some width? Then you could always consider using the like of Ben Arfa and Marveaux more than we have done if we are looking to win games at home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 I'm not sure Ben Arfa really is a winger. He seems to perform slightly better playing wide for us, but he's not a winger in the sense we usually use that label. I would only call people like Lennon and Downing wingers really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Slightly better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 I'm not sure Ben Arfa really is a winger. He seems to perform slightly better playing wide for us, but he's not a winger in the sense we usually use that label. I would only call people like Lennon and Downing wingers really. Do you consider Robben a winger? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Rafael i reckon is a John O'Shea, Nicky butt type. A decent enough sort of player who Man united have always had because you can't have a team full of Ronaldos. Years ago the quality of their best players would have hidden the weakness'es of the likes of Rafael. But now the rest of the side is mostly average, the likes of Rafael are exposed, and he's been a liability this season if you ask me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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