Fenham Mag Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Can't name many players with potential who come to Newcastle and improve. Graveyard. Disagree with you on that. Actually the opposite where players with potential leave us and don't fulfill their promise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Can't name many players with potential who come to Newcastle and improve. Graveyard. Whether they've improved or not I won't argue, but in terms of going on to 'bigger and better', the following few spring to mind: Ba Remy (albeit on loan) Cabaye Milner Enrique Bellamy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 I don't really think there's much excuse for players to perform badly now. There was always going to be a problem for technical players under Pardew, but it looks very much like McClaren's a manager who likes passing football, so as long as he puts out reasonably balanced sides, the flair players should have every opportunity to shine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Can't name many players with potential who come to Newcastle and improve. Graveyard. Whether they've improved or not I won't argue, but in terms of going on to 'bigger and better', the following few spring to mind: Ba Remy (albeit on loan) Cabaye Milner Enrique Bellamy Debuchy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Bailey Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Can't name many players with potential who come to Newcastle and improve. Graveyard. Disagree with you on that. Actually the opposite where players with potential leave us and don't fulfill their promise. Bit of both in my opinion. Vianna, Luque, Cabella et al..we have our share of guys with reputations simply not cutting it at the club to varying degrees, as well as some (fewer in my opinion) who have left us and then realised there potential sand some who simply flop everywhere. Either way we have a very weak record in developing players. Not too many in recent years have gotten better with us... Wish the lad luck. Tidy and tricky player undoubtedly but think he was maybe too slow/ dwelt too long on the ball for PL? Hope he does well in his career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Can't name many players with potential who come to Newcastle and improve. Graveyard. Disagree with you on that. Actually the opposite where players with potential leave us and don't fulfill their promise. Bit of both in my opinion. Vianna, Luque, Cabella et al..we have our share of guys with reputations simply not cutting it at the club to varying degrees, as well as some (fewer in my opinion) who have left us and then realised there potential sand some who simply flop everywhere. Either way we have a very weak record in developing players. Not too many in recent years have gotten better with us... Wish the lad luck. Tidy and tricky player undoubtedly but think he was maybe too slow/ dwelt too long on the ball for PL? Hope he does well in his career. I reckon as a mid-table PL side (if that's what we class ourselves as) we've probably had more exports to clubs above us than almost any club apart from Southampton in recent years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 I don't really think there's much excuse for players to perform badly now. There was always going to be a problem for technical players under Pardew, but it looks very much like McClaren's a manager who likes passing football, so as long as he puts out reasonably balanced sides, the flair players should have every opportunity to shine. I don't think it's as basic as that like. He cannot expect to play Obertan, Colback and Anita as 3 of a 5 man midfield and expect us not to be bummed into oblivion, no matter how he wants us to play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Can't name many players with potential who come to Newcastle and improve. Graveyard. Disagree with you on that. Actually the opposite where players with potential leave us and don't fulfill their promise. Bit of both in my opinion. Vianna, Luque, Cabella et al..we have our share of guys with reputations simply not cutting it at the club to varying degrees, as well as some (fewer in my opinion) who have left us and then realised there potential sand some who simply flop everywhere. Either way we have a very weak record in developing players. Not too many in recent years have gotten better with us... Wish the lad luck. Tidy and tricky player undoubtedly but think he was maybe too slow/ dwelt too long on the ball for PL? Hope he does well in his career. These 3 would have failed wherever they went in the Premier league, just not good enough physically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 I don't really think there's much excuse for players to perform badly now. There was always going to be a problem for technical players under Pardew, but it looks very much like McClaren's a manager who likes passing football, so as long as he puts out reasonably balanced sides, the flair players should have every opportunity to shine. I don't think it's as basic as that like. He cannot expect to play Obertan, Colback and Anita as 3 of a 5 man midfield and expect us not to be bummed into oblivion, no matter how he wants us to play. Yeah which is why I put in the proviso of him playing a balanced side. He's still going with two defensive midfielders at the moment and that is overkill for me. But I assume that at some point he'll change that if it's not working. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Can't name many players with potential who come to Newcastle and improve. Graveyard. Disagree with you on that. Actually the opposite where players with potential leave us and don't fulfill their promise. Bit of both in my opinion. Vianna, Luque, Cabella et al..we have our share of guys with reputations simply not cutting it at the club to varying degrees, as well as some (fewer in my opinion) who have left us and then realised there potential sand some who simply flop everywhere. Either way we have a very weak record in developing players. Not too many in recent years have gotten better with us... Wish the lad luck. Tidy and tricky player undoubtedly but think he was maybe too slow/ dwelt too long on the ball for PL? Hope he does well in his career. These 3 would have failed wherever they went in the Premier league, just not good enough physically. Viana was a bairn when he joined us and only in his early 20s when he left, there's nowt wrong with him physically. Not sure on Cabella mind, I don't think he was a write off by any stretch of the imagination. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 again I think the forced loan thing is nuts. Just like with Santon and MYM we should be having a right of refusal or recall after loan if the player played brilliantly or we are in need of player after loan is up due to other deals or injuries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 again I think the forced loan thing is nuts. Just like with Santon and MYM we should be having a right of refusal or recall after loan if the player played brilliantly or we are in need of player after loan is up due to other deals or injuries. If he excels at Marseilles, the chances are they could get more for him than the current agreed price. Didn't Roma make a small profit on Yanga Mbiwa? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 again I think the forced loan thing is nuts. Just like with Santon and MYM we should be having a right of refusal or recall after loan if the player played brilliantly or we are in need of player after loan is up due to other deals or injuries. If he excels at Marseilles, the chances are they could get more for him than the current agreed price. Didn't Roma make a small profit on Yanga Mbiwa? At the same time, if he's utterly shit... McClaren blatantly doesn't think he's up to it so I'm not averse to shipping people out when not needed/unwanted so long as they're replaced which he will be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 He struggled last season, good luck to him. He'd have struggled to get game time here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 again I think the forced loan thing is nuts. Just like with Santon and MYM we should be having a right of refusal or recall after loan if the player played brilliantly or we are in need of player after loan is up due to other deals or injuries. If he excels at Marseilles, the chances are they could get more for him than the current agreed price. Didn't Roma make a small profit on Yanga Mbiwa? At the same time, if he's utterly s***... McClaren blatantly doesn't think he's up to it so I'm not averse to shipping people out when not needed/unwanted so long as they're replaced which he will be. Reckon McClaren will be proven wrong there. When we start shipping out the obvious dross and "replace" those, that's when I'll be happy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 On the graveyard debate. I think it's clear we are a hit and miss club, like most other sides. When a team does well their players get picked off by so called bigger clubs. However when the team does shite, naturally players look like bad signings. Right now, any player looking for a step up should try and join Southampton or Swansea but I don't think we are a bad prospect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 again I think the forced loan thing is nuts. Just like with Santon and MYM we should be having a right of refusal or recall after loan if the player played brilliantly or we are in need of player after loan is up due to other deals or injuries. If he excels at Marseilles, the chances are they could get more for him than the current agreed price. Didn't Roma make a small profit on Yanga Mbiwa? At the same time, if he's utterly s***... McClaren blatantly doesn't think he's up to it so I'm not averse to shipping people out when not needed/unwanted so long as they're replaced which he will be. Reckon McClaren will be proven wrong there. When we start shipping out the obvious dross and "replace" those, that's when I'll be happy. I don't know about that. I reckon there's a cracking player in there, just not for the premier. English football is too fast for him and he's not like Ben Arfa who had the physique to handle the heavy challenges. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 again I think the forced loan thing is nuts. Just like with Santon and MYM we should be having a right of refusal or recall after loan if the player played brilliantly or we are in need of player after loan is up due to other deals or injuries. If he excels at Marseilles, the chances are they could get more for him than the current agreed price. Didn't Roma make a small profit on Yanga Mbiwa? At the same time, if he's utterly s***... McClaren blatantly doesn't think he's up to it so I'm not averse to shipping people out when not needed/unwanted so long as they're replaced which he will be. Reckon McClaren will be proven wrong there. When we start shipping out the obvious dross and "replace" those, that's when I'll be happy. I don't know about that. I reckon there's a cracking player in there, just not for the premier. English football is too fast for him and he's not like Ben Arfa who had the physique to handle the heavy challenges. I think he'd come good in PL too in the right system personally. He's had one season in shit circumstances, but still at times showed what he was about. I was actually on about letting him go for a specific obligatory fee though. I guess that's not really up to McClaren, but he'll prove his worth and then some over there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Would have liked to see him given a chance but I won't miss him at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 We've definitely brought in a few duds over the years but we've also brought in players who have been fantastic for us and definitely found the grass isn't always greener. On Cabella, I see the way we're getting rid of him as slightly similar to what happened with Viana as in he hasn't been played in his correct position and has immense quality but not really had much of a chance to show it. Really I would have liked to have seen Cabella given another year under a decent coaching setup, but with so many players capable of playing in the #10 role, it's difficult to see where he would have fit in. Could he have done it as a winger under McClaren? Could we have spent this money on another position that needs strengthening? Possibly. Guess we'll just have to see what happens now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Was a joke how he was treated at the beginning like, didn't score a hatrick on his own the first 2 games so was sat on the bench for most of the next few months. Familiar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 again I think the forced loan thing is nuts. Just like with Santon and MYM we should be having a right of refusal or recall after loan if the player played brilliantly or we are in need of player after loan is up due to other deals or injuries. If he excels at Marseilles, the chances are they could get more for him than the current agreed price. Didn't Roma make a small profit on Yanga Mbiwa? At the same time, if he's utterly s***... McClaren blatantly doesn't think he's up to it so I'm not averse to shipping people out when not needed/unwanted so long as they're replaced which he will be. Reckon McClaren will be proven wrong there. When we start shipping out the obvious dross and "replace" those, that's when I'll be happy. I don't know about that. I reckon there's a cracking player in there, just not for the premier. English football is too fast for him and he's not like Ben Arfa who had the physique to handle the heavy challenges. I think he'd come good in PL too in the right system personally. He's had one season in shit circumstances, but still at times showed what he was about. I was actually on about letting him go for a specific obligatory fee though. I guess that's not really up to McClaren, but he'll prove his worth and then some over there. I definitely agree with that, his value will go back up to over £10m no problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Was a joke how he was treated at the beginning like, didn't score a hatrick on his own the first 2 games so was sat on the bench for most of the next few months. Familiar. he was meant to be a creative player but was providing nothing. He was therefore benched and the guy who came in set up a couple of goals and then Scored the goal that got us our first win Aye joke to bench him though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Was a joke how he was treated at the beginning like, didn't score a hatrick on his own the first 2 games so was sat on the bench for most of the next few months. Familiar. he was meant to be a creative player but was providing nothing. He was therefore benched and the guy who came in set up a couple of goals and then Scored the goal that got us our first win Aye joke to bench him though He is meant to be a creative player yet was instructed to play left wing-back by Pardew. How is that his fault ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Any attack minded player under Pardew is impossible to analyse. Simple as. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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