Clément Grenier

[B-more Mag]

"We are delighted to have brought Loic Remy Luuk de Jong to the club in this window and we believe he will form an exciting and effective partnership with Papiss Cisse Loic Remy.

 

Joe has worked hard on numerous targets, particularly an additional offensive player. However some of the options that were available within our financial means were not as good as the players we already had and there is no point bringing in new players unless they can improve us and take us forward."

 

Post-window statement sorted.

 

 

[Ronaldo]

All this talk about nothing to play for, we're 9 points off 4th. If we didn't flog Cabaye that would probably be 7. There's everything to play for if we weren't so laughably unambitious.

 

[Beren]

 

 

Sounds a hell of a lot more like him not fancying us than Ashley failing to pay up. That wont sit well with the fake bid brigade.

 

might it not have been prudent to source alternatives before hand? rather than one player? A bid under the valuation and wages half of what cabaye was getting?

He said this 2 days ago, man:

 

£20m or £25m it matters not a jot. We'd be lucky to see £10m of it reinvested in a future window.

 

Bloke doesn't know where he's at.

 

polemic viewpoints "we won't spend anything!!" / "lol at you fake bid crew!"

 

So we bid £10 million and it didn't work, either because the fee was too low, or possibly because the player was never that interested. I reckon it was more the second one. Low bids tend to work when the player actively wants the move no?

 

I'd have liked to see a few alternatives yeah. But replacing Cabaye is not an easy job. Personally I don't know who those alternatives would be. I trust in Carr's judgement. I'd rather hang on and get the right player. There's little left to play for this season.

 

I don't love our transfer policy but you'd have to admit, we've brought in some superb transfers. Not enough obviously, but the days of spunking £6m on the likes of Bramble are over.

 

This is the only username I've ever had.

 

Now that I'm done talking, you may bring the rage.

 

You're proper suspicious.

 

Replacing Cabaye isn't an easy job, but we've had half a season to line up the right guy, so there's nothing to "hang on" about it - if we'd intended to replace him, we would have - and we'd have done a Spurs-style replacement of doing as or before he left.

 

There's nowt to play for this season, but we'd want his would-be replacement to settle into the side so we could attack next season properly - unless that is... that you didn't give actually give a s*** because

 

a) this season was safe (almost at 40 points joy of all joys); and

b) you would only even consider investing in a replacement in the summer if a second-half-of-the-season decline without a Cabaye replacement (and Shola as the best striking option that the club owns ) would be so bad that it'd indicate our 2014/15 season would be a relegation season

 

You think I have a suspicious nature? Or you think I'm a mackem?

 

Beren, your viewpoint is understandable. You could well be spot on. Ideally, yeah, of course giving the right guy half a season to settle in would be brilliant.

 

But suppose the criteria for replacing Cabaye (similar quality, or with the potential to be, affordable, and interested to come) only threw up two names, Grenier and Cabella. And neither want to move right now. Worth hanging on for? Maybe.

 

I saw enough chances created against an admittedly poor Norwich side to not give up completely. The real problem has been taking chances and hopefully De Jong can help with that.

 

Worse, I thought might work for Ashley

 

It's plausible you're right, and that the ones we wanted aren't available - but we would (or at least should) have known they weren't available and continued sourcing while the Cabaye saga dragged on and on. And if we hadn't found one who was available after the dragging out of the Cabaye saga, what's to say we would have by summer? Why not a stop gap? Why not Holtby on loan?

 

And that's if we ignore the overwhelming body of evidence of utter bastardry that the club has historically. It seems to me that you're really straining the avenues of possibility to find a way for their conduct to be excusable, and I don't see on what basis you would do that, given their track record/openly skinflint bastardry.

 

Anyway, I'll leave it here as I have work to do.

[BONTEMPI]

All this talk about nothing to play for, we're 9 points off 4th. If we didn't flog Cabaye that would probably be 7. There's everything to play for if we weren't so laughably unambitious.

 

Fans need to match the clubs ambition by not renewing. Only way to make this cunt leave is making the business shit money.

[Stuy_O]

 

 

Sounds a hell of a lot more like him not fancying us than Ashley failing to pay up. That wont sit well with the fake bid brigade.

 

might it not have been prudent to source alternatives before hand? rather than one player? A bid under the valuation and wages half of what cabaye was getting?

He said this 2 days ago, man:

 

£20m or £25m it matters not a jot. We'd be lucky to see £10m of it reinvested in a future window.

 

Bloke doesn't know where he's at.

 

polemic viewpoints "we won't spend anything!!" / "lol at you fake bid crew!"

 

So we bid £10 million and it didn't work, either because the fee was too low, or possibly because the player was never that interested. I reckon it was more the second one. Low bids tend to work when the player actively wants the move no?

 

I'd have liked to see a few alternatives yeah. But replacing Cabaye is not an easy job. Personally I don't know who those alternatives would be. I trust in Carr's judgement. I'd rather hang on and get the right player. There's little left to play for this season.

 

I don't love our transfer policy but you'd have to admit, we've brought in some superb transfers. Not enough obviously, but the days of spunking £6m on the likes of Bramble are over.

 

This is the only username I've ever had.

 

Now that I'm done talking, you may bring the rage.

 

What's the point if we're not actively looking to purchase his recommendations anymore. He's on the clubs payroll to watch games, thats it.

 

The proof is staring us in the face, in the last year we've borrowed 2 players.

[midds]

It's just such an obvious charade designed to mislead fans to pacify them. When the shit was about to hit the fan exactly 12 months ago the board proved they could take decisive action and sign several players to see off the immediate threat. Thy can do it but they're simply choosing not to this year. Even with a wad of cash they simply see no need to invest anything to move the club forward.

 

And there are still some who continue to make excuses for them and can't see what's happening. 

[alexf]

Thoroughly fucked off with the whole club after this week.

 

Any idiot would tell you it's far harder to sign a replacement for a star player once they have gone. Especially when they know how much money you received.

 

Which leads me to assume they knew what they were doing and had absolutely no intention of spending any money, evidenced by not even being in contact with any targets until the penultimate day of the window.

 

Lose the derby and I think I may need to take a break from it all because sometimes I think, is it really worth getting so invested. The way we are run these days is just utterly depressing.

[r0cafella]

It's just such an obvious charade designed to mislead fans to pacify them. When the s*** was about to hit the fan exactly 12 months ago the board proved they could take decisive action and sign several players to see off the immediate threat. Thy can do it but they're simply choosing not to this year. Even with a wad of cash they simply see no need to invest anything to move the club forward.

 

And there are still some who continue to make excuses for them and can't see what's happening.

 

Feel free to ban them 

[Skeletor]

Even though it's no surprise that it was another half arsed attempt to sign a player (especially in a position where we've just sold our key player) it still doesn't become any less infuriating. Another window where our squad is lopsided and thin.

 

[Guest Nixon]

Credit to the owner, he's certainly done well to breed such cynicism around the football club and every decision that is made.

 

We've clearly put a bid in, it's under what Lyon perceive to be his value. This seems to be par for the course for Newcastle. Start low and then work up so you end up paying under the first figure quoted. The snag we've hit here is, the player doesn't want to move mid-season, and he's a tad narcissistic.

 

The only real point of frustration here is that they didn't sound up their replacements in preparation of Cabaye potentially going. Talk of false bids and not wanting a players is a tad far fetched though.

[jdckelly]

sounds like our crack negotiation team is proving its ability once again. Christ the only thing JFK's time here has shown is that Llambias was at least in some way competent, then we were cheap bastards but we did sign the occasional player and never leaked anything real at least on nufc end it was all from france, now he's shouting our targets from the roof tops and not actually signing anyone (loans don't count as proper signings in my book)

[jdckelly]

Credit to the owner, he's certainly done well to breed such cynicism around the football club and every decision that is made.

 

We've clearly put a bid in, it's under what Lyon perceive to be his value. This seems to be par for the course for Newcastle. Start low and then work up so you end up paying under the first figure quoted. The snag we've hit here is, the player doesn't want to move mid-season, and he's a tad narcissistic.

 

The only real point of frustration here is that they didn't sound up their replacements in preparation of Cabaye potentially going. Talk of false bids and not wanting a players is a tad far fetched though.

I'd generally agree but at least in the past they had a tendency to leak a complete lie to SSN on deadline day. Now they're just being cheap

[Ronaldo]

Credit to the owner, he's certainly done well to breed such cynicism around the football club and every decision that is made.

 

We've clearly put a bid in, it's under what Lyon perceive to be his value. This seems to be par for the course for Newcastle. Start low and then work up so you end up paying under the first figure quoted. The snag we've hit here is, the player doesn't want to move mid-season, and he's a tad narcissistic.

 

The only real point of frustration here is that they didn't sound up their replacements in preparation of Cabaye potentially going. Talk of false bids and not wanting a players is a tad far fetched though.

 

Will you stop with this shit, man? We all know there's been artificial bids made in the past at the end of windows.

[Wilson]

Hardly far fetched to think if they really wanted a replacement, they would done some ground work (other than scouting) considering they'd apparently already agreed to let Cabaye go.

 

 

[Hanshithispantz]

Credit to the owner, he's certainly done well to breed such cynicism around the football club and every decision that is made.

 

We've clearly put a bid in, it's under what Lyon perceive to be his value. This seems to be par for the course for Newcastle. Start low and then work up so you end up paying under the first figure quoted. The snag we've hit here is, the player doesn't want to move mid-season, and he's a tad narcissistic.

 

The only real point of frustration here is that they didn't sound up their replacements in preparation of Cabaye potentially going. Talk of false bids and not wanting a players is a tad far fetched though.

The bids may aswell be false if they're always under what the other club perceive to be the value.

 

I have no doubt that we placed a bid for Grenier, I don't think anyone doubts that, but we're not willing to pay what he's worth and probably never have been. If we cannot get him on the cheap then we'll not get him at all. Miss out on our number 1 target if we can get number 5 for cheaper, or maybe we'll wait another window or 3 before trying again?

 

 

[jdckelly]

Hardly far fetched to think if they really wanted a replacement, they would done some ground work (other than scouting) considering they'd apparently already agreed to let Cabaye go.

well we can't expect our transfer guru to work on two things at once thats just too much to expect

[BONTEMPI]

sounds like our crack negotiation team is proving its ability once again. Christ the only thing JFK's time here has shown is that Llambias was at least in some way competent, then we were cheap bastards but we did sign the occasional player and never leaked anything real at least on nufc end it was all from france, now he's shouting our targets from the roof tops and not actually signing anyone (loans don't count as proper signings in my book)

 

Llambias was never competent, just less of a fucknut than Joe.

[jdckelly]

sounds like our crack negotiation team is proving its ability once again. Christ the only thing JFK's time here has shown is that Llambias was at least in some way competent, then we were cheap bastards but we did sign the occasional player and never leaked anything real at least on nufc end it was all from france, now he's shouting our targets from the roof tops and not actually signing anyone (loans don't count as proper signings in my book)

 

Llambias was never competent, just less of a fucknut than Joe.

some way competent I said not fully competent. Then again JFK is making Graeme Souness's transfer strategy seem almost competent so its not a difficult standard to beat

[Wilson]

or maybe we'll wait another window or 3 before trying again?

 

Exactly this. We'll be back in for him in the summer.  Fuck the team for the rest of the season if we can get him for nearer to our own valuation then and save on wages in the process.

[Guest Nixon]

Credit to the owner, he's certainly done well to breed such cynicism around the football club and every decision that is made.

 

We've clearly put a bid in, it's under what Lyon perceive to be his value. This seems to be par for the course for Newcastle. Start low and then work up so you end up paying under the first figure quoted. The snag we've hit here is, the player doesn't want to move mid-season, and he's a tad narcissistic.

 

The only real point of frustration here is that they didn't sound up their replacements in preparation of Cabaye potentially going. Talk of false bids and not wanting a players is a tad far fetched though.

 

Will you stop with this s***, man? We all know there's been artificial bids made in the past at the end of windows.

At what point did I say we hadn't in the past? The bids for Ruiz were either fake or incredibly naive, either way they don't paint the club in the most positive light.

 

However I think the club realise this is an increasingly tight Premier league season and that we're far from guaranteed safety. Two injuries or suspensions in midfield and we're back the days of throwing players like Bigirimana in there (I know he's injured).

[matta]

Any player with any ambition should say no to us. It's that simple.

[Chizzletooth]

Any player with any ambition should say no to us. It's that simple.

 

Not necessarily. We're a good stepping stone as Cabaye proved.

[midds]

don't believe the Grenier bid is false at all. It's just big enough to hoodwink some fans into believing we have a semblance of ambition but it's always going to be too small to be seriously considered by Lyon.

 

It's a public feigning of ambition without any risk. 

[Shearergol]

Credit to the owner, he's certainly done well to breed such cynicism around the football club and every decision that is made.

 

We've clearly put a bid in, it's under what Lyon perceive to be his value. This seems to be par for the course for Newcastle. Start low and then work up so you end up paying under the first figure quoted. The snag we've hit here is, the player doesn't want to move mid-season, and he's a tad narcissistic.

 

The only real point of frustration here is that they didn't sound up their replacements in preparation of Cabaye potentially going. Talk of false bids and not wanting a players is a tad far fetched though.

 

Will you stop with this s***, man? We all know there's been artificial bids made in the past at the end of windows.

At what point did I say we hadn't in the past? The bids for Ruiz were either fake or incredibly naive, either way they don't paint the club in the most positive light.

 

However I think the club realise this is an increasingly tight Premier league season and that we're far from guaranteed safety. Two injuries or suspensions in midfield and we're back the days of throwing players like Bigirimana in there (I know he's injured).

 

What are you basing that on? All I can see is a complete lack of planning and urgency.

[Shearergol]

Any player with any ambition should say no to us. It's that simple.

 

Not necessarily. We're a good stepping stone as Cabaye proved.

 

We may as well be a league one club selling players to the championship.