Guest HTT II Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 37 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Tbh I think Charnley did a decent job - with the boss and the resources that he had. The fact the new leadership kept him around for a little bit shows he has some competence. Forest don't even have a shirt sponsor. Had away and shite, he was to running a football club what Carver was to managing a football team. Kinnear would have made a better job managing the club than thumbheed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Notts?! I hope no Forest fans visit this place! Sacrilege! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Dr.Spaceman said: What did he do under MA that makes you believe that? I can't think of a single thing he did well tbh, he was the John Laurinaitis of NUFC, a yes man unable to make any decision himself without running it by the main man. key point being - with the boss and resources he had. His job was to keep NUFC in the PL with the limited resources he would be given. And when we eventually get relegated - ensure we come straight back up. His job was never to get us into the top half or anything like that. In that context, with a fanbase the size of ours with some self-respect you have to hire "yes men" managers. Even though he hired them, I do think he was better at his job than the likes of Kinnear (I think this was Lambeezy era) and Carver as football managers. I know he was definitely a puppet & shield for Ashley. But i'm certain Ashley did little to run the club in terms of legwork and nobody else was hired to do it. So the little legwork that was done by the club, I assume, was mostly done by Charnley. More than anything - the fact he was kept around for some time under the new regime suggests he wasn't Brucey levels of incompetant. Probably isn't much of a compliment that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 hour ago, The College Dropout said: key point being - with the boss and resources he had. His job was to keep NUFC in the PL with the limited resources he would be given. And when we eventually get relegated - ensure we come straight back up. His job was never to get us into the top half or anything like that. In that context, with a fanbase the size of ours with some self-respect you have to hire "yes men" managers. Even though he hired them, I do think he was better at his job than the likes of Kinnear (I think this was Lambeezy era) and Carver as football managers. I know he was definitely a puppet & shield for Ashley. But i'm certain Ashley did little to run the club in terms of legwork and nobody else was hired to do it. So the little legwork that was done by the club, I assume, was mostly done by Charnley. More than anything - the fact he was kept around for some time under the new regime suggests he wasn't Brucey levels of incompetant. Probably isn't much of a compliment that. Again, what did he do under MA that makes you believe that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: Again, what did he do under MA that makes you believe that? Kept the team in the PL most of the time (comfortably in the main too) and straight back up (easily) when we went down. Also took all (a lot at least) the shit for the Owner. That was the MO of the job according to the Owner. Edited August 10, 2022 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Wonder how that would have gone last season had the takeover not gone through. We stayed up in the two Bruce seasons down to luck, certainly had nowt to do with anything good that fucking Charnley might have done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 On 08/08/2022 at 11:21, Pecker said: Mike Ashley incoming at Forest. Charnley the vanguard, clearing the way for Large Michael. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 he's not there to consult about anything on the footballing side anyway, just sounds like mid-level administrative work which is probably where his wheelhouse truly is. good for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 It's difficult from the outside to know how able he was at his job. But, from the outside, it seemed that he rose from an admin monkey due to everyone above him leaving and being an unquestioning yes man. Ok, he has experience of running a PL club, but they seem to be after advice about the commercial side of that, which it seems he'd have very little really experience of from running Spots Direct United. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpersForGoalposts Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 10 minutes ago, Nobody said: Wonder how that would have gone last season had the takeover not gone through. We stayed up in the two Bruce seasons down to luck, certainly had nowt to do with anything good that fucking Charnley might have done. If the takeover had never happened, Howe wouldn't have come in and we'd have finished comfortably in the bottom 3. Noting Cabbage Heed's efforts at WBA, we'd be mid table Div 2 this season, haemorrhaging money and racing the m*ckems to the bottom. Fine margins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 hour ago, The College Dropout said: Kept the team in the PL most of the time (comfortably in the main too) and straight back up (easily) when we went down. Also took all (a lot at least) the shit for the Owner. That was the MO of the job according to the Owner. What does 'keeping us in the league' consist of though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Dr.Spaceman said: What does 'keeping us in the league' consist of though? Finishing 17th or above. Again - that's what the owner was aiming for and that's what the resources were aimed towards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: Finishing 17th or above. Again - that's what the owner was aiming for and that's what the resources were aimed towards. But what do you believe Charnley did to help us reach our target? So far we've got "He took a lot of shit". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Dr.Spaceman said: But what do you believe Charnley did to help us reach our target? So far we've got "He took a lot of shit". I don't know what he did specifically but Charnley was responsible for the day-to-day running of the club that finished midtable 3 seasons in a row. That woul be considered a good job by his employer. I don't know what more you want to know. His boss was happy enough with him for 7 years. He hit the targets he was set more often than not. 1) prem survival 2) keep the heat off MA 3) do it all on a shoe string Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Him chasing, appointing, then delaying the sacking of Schteve basically sent us down. He failed disastrously in his remit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 hour ago, The College Dropout said: I don't know what he did specifically but Charnley was responsible for the day-to-day running of the club that finished midtable 3 seasons in a row. That woul be considered a good job by his employer. I don't know what more you want to know. His boss was happy enough with him for 7 years. He hit the targets he was set more often than not. 1) prem survival 2) keep the heat off MA 3) do it all on a shoe string I'm absolutely fucking staggered that any legit Newcastle fan could come out with such drivel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 10 hours ago, The College Dropout said: Tbh I think Charnley did a decent job - with the boss and the resources that he had. The fact the new leadership kept him around for a little bit shows he has some competence. Forest don't even have a shirt sponsor. Utter, utter, unadulterated pig shit. One of the most absurd statements I've read on here in years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Dr.Spaceman said: I'm absolutely fucking staggered that any legit Newcastle fan could come out with such drivel. I'm looking at it from the perspective of his employer. Would a team aiming to be a proper club employ him? No. But we weren't a proper club under Ashley. Forest don't even have a shirt sponsor - so i'm guessing there's some ineptitude going around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: I'm looking at it from the perspective of his employer. Would a team aiming to be a proper club employ him? No. But we weren't a proper club under Ashley. Forest don't even have a shirt sponsor - so i'm guessing there's some ineptitude going around. Can't quite believe that anyone would even suggest this rank lickspittle brown-nosing cunt would in the least be considered 'competent'. He treated fans and this club with complete and utter disdain for the entirety of his time here. For anyone to suggest otherwise is utter nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: I'm looking at it from the perspective of his employer. Would a team aiming to be a proper club employ him? No. But we weren't a proper club under Ashley. Forest don't even have a shirt sponsor - so i'm guessing there's some ineptitude going around. Yet they've spent how many millions on new players (whether one considers that to be a good or bad thing)? Get some consistency in what you're saying, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 Wonder if he was under explicit restrictions not to increase revenue in any way, shape or form as well? Considering his then employer was the greediest cunt alive, I somehow doubt it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 The fact we all hate Charnley is all the evidence I need that he did a great job for Ashley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 Considering his job is to make things "perfectly adequate" this role should be a walk in the park for him, I bet he just walks around the ground sticking Sports Direct logos on every bit of free wall he can find. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 "hoo, before you hoy them chairs in the store take those cheese boards off em. It's all money, you kna" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, Nobody said: Wonder if he was under explicit restrictions not to increase revenue in any way, shape or form as well? Considering his then employer was the greediest cunt alive, I somehow doubt it. If he did a shit job for Ashley, Ashley would've fired him in the 7 years. It's just that simple. Commercial revenue wise - Ashley was most concerned with the free advertising for Sports Direct everywhere he could. 10 hours ago, toon25 said: Yet they've spent how many millions on new players (whether one considers that to be a good or bad thing)? Get some consistency in what you're saying, man. What does signing loads of players mean about their acumen? QPR signed loads of players. It might work, it might not. But the fact they don't have a sponsor suggests there is a problem somewhere in the upper management. Maybe not recruitment but somewhere. Edited August 11, 2022 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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