Ikon Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Will definitely watch Hatem's film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Did some stats similar to KI because I'm bored. Ben Arfa total minutes in PL an EL for NUFC: 4648 Goals: 13 Assists: 11 Minutes per goal: ~357 (~4 games per goal) Minutes per assist: ~422 (~4.7 games per assist) Minutes per goal/assist: ~193 (~2.15 games per assist/goal) Yoan Gouffran total minutes in PL for NUFC: 4740 Goals: 9 Assists: 4 Minutes per goal: ~527 (~5.85 games per goal) Minutes per assist: ~1185 (~13.16 games per assist) Minutes per goal/assist: ~364 (~4 games per goal/assist) Now that they've played around the same amount of time for the club you can safely say that Hatem gives you around twice as much output as Gouffran. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Wouldn't have Gouffran over him (as a winger) but without doubt I would have Cabella, Aarons and possibly Sammy over him. He has had the best moments of his career now. Thanks for the memories. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Wouldn't have Gouffran over him (as a winger) but without doubt I would have Cabella, Aarons and possibly Sammy over him. He has had the best moments of his career now. Thanks for the memories. Is it the Friday of freaky opinions? Second ridiculous post I've read today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 'Hamez Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpet Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Been reading that last few pages. I mean, no matter how much of utter cunts Pardew and Bruce are, you can't just go all Lenin on them. Some excuses for HBA remind me of what Liverpool fans used to say about Babel. "Give him a less boring and more expressive manager and he'd be the next Henry". Some players just don't want to be very good. They don't stay the extra half hour or hours that Ronaldo stayed to practice his heading.. Some prefer to spend hours rapping, some rather shit themselves in hospital bed to get the hot nurse to touch them near the sensitive spots..I suspect HBA will end up in Turkish league sooner rather than later and probably team up with either Shola or Babel in that regard. His current situation is like a patient with a history of being "difficult" , ditto a Seinfeld episode about Elaine. Many teams will be very reluctant to take a gamble on him. Once that tag is on your head, it's hard to get it off. We'll see if he can manage it or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Been reading that last few pages. I mean, no matter how much of utter cunts Pardew and Bruce are, you can't just go all Lenin on them. Some excuses for HBA remind me of what Liverpool fans used to say about Babel. "Give him a less boring and more expressive manager and he'd be the next Henry". Some players just don't want to be very good. They don't stay the extra half hour or hours that Ronaldo stayed to practice his heading.. Some prefer to spend hours rapping, some rather shit themselves in hospital bed to get the hot nurse to touch them near the sensitive spots..I suspect HBA will end up in Turkish league sooner rather than later and probably team up with either Shola or Babel in that regard. His current situation is like a patient with a history of being "difficult" , ditto a Seinfeld episode about Elaine. Many teams will be very reluctant to take a gamble on him. Once that tag is on your head, it's hard to get it off. We'll see if he can manage it or not. Who is this referring to? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 You lost me at Ryan Babel you Liverpool supporting fucker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 You lost me at Ryan Babel you Liverpool supporting fucker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Can't believe Ben Arfa only has 13 goals in 76 league games, for an attacking midfielder its hardly amazing tbh Shame Ben Arfa doesn't have the drive and determination to improve throughout his career when you look at other players around his age and where he could have been Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toondave Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Can't believe Ben Arfa only has 13 goals in 76 league games, for an attacking midfielder its hardly amazing tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karjala Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Doubt he has many assists either. People like to remember the 2 wonder goals he scored in his 4 years here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 For an attacking midfielder (that's told to defend while watching the ball fly over his head) I don't think it's that bad. Add up the minutes played and you'll be lucky to be half way to 76 full league games. But yeah, have fun fishing! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I'll happily watch countless youtube videos of Hatem's bossiness and tell youse' people who don't agree with me to F off. And you can carry on enjoying defensive wingers or saying I told you so, and all that fucking boring defeatist horse shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Can't believe Ben Arfa only has 13 goals in 76 league games, for an attacking midfielder its hardly amazing tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Can't believe Ben Arfa only has 13 goals in 76 league games, for an attacking midfielder its hardly amazing tbh Shame Ben Arfa doesn't have the drive and determination to improve throughout his career when you look at other players around his age and where he could have been It's not bad for a winger in a team with no emphasis on attacking or movement though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 How many did Ginola score? He was pretty handy.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 How many did Ginola score? He was pretty handy.. Ginola didn't actually score too many goals for us. 7 goals in all competitions. Still a great player though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 It's true enough that you can't rely on him to do defensive work. You have to give him a free role behind a main striker and rely on others to fill any gaps. And from what Bruce is saying, this seems to be the vision of his future role that Hatem himself wants to insist on. The first problem is that the level of club that he's playing for can't afford to have a player in that position in a highly competitive league. The second problem is whether he's actually good enough - not so much in terms of his skill, but in terms of work rate and footballing intelligence. The number 10s that we've had - Bellamy and Beardsley spring to mind - have worked their socks off and were also not averse to tracking back. I guess if he was better in those areas, he'd be playing for Real or Barca - but he's not earned the right to play at that level. It looks to me like he'll end up as a big fish in a small pond, playing outside the top leagues in Turkey or the like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 The Hatem saga is an indictment of English football. The high tempo kick and rush bollocks that it is. I'd rather watch Hatem train than 90% of PL games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 It will be very interesting to see where Ben Arfa goes on loan to next. It will be even more interesting to see where he goes in the Summer when he is a free transfer. His stock will have fallen as he hasn't been playing much for the last year. He'll need to impress in his next loan to get a decent deal in the Summer. Which club and manager in which league will sign him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest H09 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 He has an impressive record for being chased out of clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 He's never really impressed in that no.10 role, like. His better games have been when he's been out on the right with a bit more space to work in imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Very talanted lad, right player at the right club at the wrong time with the wrong manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Can't believe Ben Arfa only has 13 goals in 76 league games, for an attacking midfielder its hardly amazing tbh Shame Ben Arfa doesn't have the drive and determination to improve throughout his career when you look at other players around his age and where he could have been Fwiw that's inaccurate. It's actually 13 goals in 48 starts with 11 assists. Which for an attacking midfielder is a ratio about on par with Juan Mata and substantially better than every other NUFC player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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