Figures 1-0 Football Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Too heavy for his own natural weight imo, thought it for a while, looks a yard slower than he did when he first arrived What? He’s about 3st wet through. Hence the bold. He's not fat obvs, he's just heavy legged at the weight he's currently at. You sacrifice speed of movement the more weight you put on Even with the part in bold, it’s still utter nonsense (not what you said above, but in relation to Perez specifically). That he bulked up? He absolutely did from first joining us. Rafa is arsed about players like Mitro doing it and his game relies on literally no pace. You said that he’s now slower and therefore not as good due to being heavier than his ‘natural weight’, which is the part that is nonsense. He’s not as good because his initial period with us was a purple patch and since that period he’s been the average footballer that he actually is. Your post above also contradicts what you are saying, if Rafa hates players bulking up, then why does he consistently pick Perez? That is also based on what Hardy said, which is questionable. I don't really care if you think its nonsense iah. He picks Perez as shown in recent matches we are absolutely wank without him and we don't have a single player who can play ten? He also dropped him. It's questionable if you don't have a clue how science works maybe, but extra weight = slower movement hardly rocket science Now now, don’t get upset. The fact that you’re still babblig on about science and extra weight = slower pace, when I’ve already clearly stated that is not the part I disagree with, shows that you’re talking crap. Merino can play #10, as he does for Spain. Shelvey could, as he always looks more threatening the further forward he plays. We could also play with 2 strikers and not need a 10. But carry on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 We are just as wank with him in the side like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Too heavy for his own natural weight imo, thought it for a while, looks a yard slower than he did when he first arrived What? He’s about 3st wet through. Hence the bold. He's not fat obvs, he's just heavy legged at the weight he's currently at. You sacrifice speed of movement the more weight you put on Even with the part in bold, it’s still utter nonsense (not what you said above, but in relation to Perez specifically). That he bulked up? He absolutely did from first joining us. Rafa is arsed about players like Mitro doing it and his game relies on literally no pace. You said that he’s now slower and therefore not as good due to being heavier than his ‘natural weight’, which is the part that is nonsense. He’s not as good because his initial period with us was a purple patch and since that period he’s been the average footballer that he actually is. Your post above also contradicts what you are saying, if Rafa hates players bulking up, then why does he consistently pick Perez? That is also based on what Hardy said, which is questionable. Hardy got it from Rafa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Say what you will about his individual performances, but for whatever reason we are better when he's in the side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Haven't seen the match thread yet but I would guess he's getting slated for the own goal, even though he was the only one willing and able to get back there to even try and prevent a certain goal so he gets a pass from me for it. His decision-making was typically shite though, like the rest of his teammates. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 The o.g. was an Okazaki tap in without his tackle due to Clark marking thin air so can't blame him for that. Otherwise he was ineffective as per like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Haven't seen the match thread yet but I would guess he's getting slated for the own goal, even though he was the only one willing and able to get back there to even try and prevent a certain goal so he gets a pass from me for it. His decision-making was typically shite though, like the rest of his teammates. Not read the match thread either but I'd expect/hope our fans aren't that bad that he's getting ripped for that own goal. Stuck his foot in, luck of the draw. Much more worrying things at hand than a player busting his arse to get back and cover a teammate's opponent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 I disagree with some of the above comments like, I thought Perez looked really good when he came on, looked like he had genuine quality with some of his touches and flicks to find his teammates and worked very hard. Actually looked good on the left where Pardew used to play him quite a bit iirc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 I thought his presence made our shape and numbers better when we were going forward and he was more sprightly than usual, which was a good start, but he didn't really feature in the way you'd want an impact sub to. I don't blame him for the own goal, he did the right thing and was just unlucky attempting a last ditch tackle - something that shouldn't need to be part of his game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 The only annoying thing upon watching it again is that he failed to track Okazaki in the first place; if he'd done so then he might have been able to do more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 He was good today when he came on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Aye, thought he was decent like. Was taking on and going past players during breaks on a couple of occasions. Haven't seen any of the game back and don't intend to, but it didn't look like to me he can be blamed for the own goal, he had to at least try and get a foot to it due to Clark's lack of awareness and leaving of Okazaki, unluckily it went in off his attempted block. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Harsh as fuck to blame him for the goal. It was the disastrous defenders that caused that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 The only annoying thing upon watching it again is that he failed to track Okazaki in the first place; if he'd done so then he might have been able to do more. He's a striker Dave. I'd be more bothered why he ended up making a last ditch tackle in his own penalty area after running the length of the pitch in the first place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 His pressing in an advanced position seems more integral to the team shape despite his poor on-ball contributions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 He was lively when he came on, and cannot be blamed for their winner. He’s still shit though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samag Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Harsh as f*** to blame him for the goal. It was the disastrous defenders that caused that. stood at watched the lad run passed him then waited till he was a few yards infront of him before trying to run back . Sorry he was very much to blame . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samag Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Harsh as f*** to blame him for the goal. It was the disastrous defenders that caused that. stood at watched the lad run passed him then waited till he was a few yards infront of him before trying to run back . Sorry he was very much to blame . Where were our CM's at this point? It should not be left to number ten to run back into the box to make challenges. Can't believe he's getting blamed for it Watch the thrid goal again cannot believe people are defending him over it . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I'll have a look but the fact that a ten is making that challenge and a CM is nowhere to be seen can not be put on him. He may have let him go, but he shouldn't be the one tasked with tracking him in the first place. We were on the attack and he correctly held back to fill in, he then failed to do what he needed to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samag Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I'll have a look but the fact that a ten is making that challenge and a CM is nowhere to be seen can not be put on him. He may have let him go, but he shouldn't be the one tasked with tracking him in the first place. He was the only Newcastle player near him . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I'll have a look but the fact that a ten is making that challenge and a CM is nowhere to be seen can not be put on him. He may have let him go, but he shouldn't be the one tasked with tracking him in the first place. He was the only Newcastle player near him . Maybe he should have gone missing like the rest of the midfield and defence, that way he could have avoided any blame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 also if we are attacking why on earth would a player in the Ten be filling in? That's the job of one of the two CM's we have. You're never going to leave a player like Perez ostensibly as a holding midfielder. Its ridiculous. He was playing on the left when he came on wasn’t he? I’ve got a shite view, so might be wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 also if we are attacking why on earth would a player in the Ten be filling in? That's the job of one of the two CM's we have. You're never going to leave a player like Perez ostensibly as a holding midfielder. Its ridiculous. He was playing on the left when he came on wasn’t he? I’ve got a s**** view, so might be wrong. He done his best work from the left when he came on, whether he was sent on to play there or not I'm not sure. What I do know is, in his time here so far he's played some of his best football on the left under Pardew & I think at times McClaren too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 If we switched to a 433 he might be a choice there to stop Gayle getting isolated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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