Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 Bellamy was a very good player for us without ever becoming a great player and that's because individually, he was rather limited in key areas namely finishing and skill. His work rate, pace, movement and his sheer stubbornness made him a very important player though and he and Shearer dovetailed perfectly. That partnership worked because the two played off of each other very well, each benefiting from the others' attributes. Shearer benefited from Bellamy's pace, running and nuisance factor and Bellamy Shearer's strength, heading and ability to protect the ball and play others in. As good as they were individually and as a partnership, however, they were assisted hugely by the players behind them and more so by their manager's football philosophy which was to get at teams from the off and constantly using pace, wing play and being direct in an attacking sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 Btw Bellamy can go fuck himself. He wronged Sir Bobby and caused a stink under Souness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 He was right to be fucked off under Souness tbf. Getting played right wing when he was in the best form of our strikers at the time, getting subbed etc. When Pardew does similar, there's hell on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 He was right to be f***ed off under Souness tbf. Getting played right wing when he was in the best form of our strikers at the time, getting subbed etc. When Pardew does similar, there's hell on. Aye, but you cannot take the manager on, not publicly anyway. Sir Bobby played him on the flanks a few times and he did play there a lot for Norwich, Coventry and even Wales at times. We all know it wasn't his best position, but he kicked off over it on a bad way and from what I've heard, he really did feign injury which is a disgrace really as you're cheating your team-mates, manager, fans and even himself. Anyway, that whole period was damaging to the club. Bellamy should have been more professional, its as if he was using the whole situation to engineer a move away... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 I disagree, I think it was all Souness' fault. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 I disagree, I think it was all Souness' fault. He obviously had a hard on for him, but Bellamy didn't help matters. Bellamy had caused problems behind the scenes well in advance of Souness' arrival and in many ways these problems probably helped Sir Bobby to lose his job. For me, they were both protagonists and both worthy of being nowhere near our club. Bellamy was a good player, but not a great player and certainly not irreplaceable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 I disagree, I think it was all Souness' fault. Good managers manager good players, not good people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 He was perfectly within his rights to take on a manager who did damage to the club that we've never recovered from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 He was perfectly within his rights to take on a manager who did damage to the club that we've never recovered from. In the way he did? Personally I found the whole chapter embarrassing, damaging and not befitting of our club. Again, I wouldn't be surprised if Bellamy used the situation to engineer a move away. Souness was 100% wrong to use him the way he did and Bellamy was right, Souness wasn't the right man etc. we all knew that, but he feigned injury by all accounts and caused an uproar behind the scenes. At the time, Bellamy vs Souness was like choosing between good and evil, but in hindsight they were both bad apples if you like. Selfishly of course Bellamy was more important to the club in terms of how good he was and what he brought to the team, but we were well shot of him as we were Souness. FS should of fired them both together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 Within reason I only care about what happens on the field, for that reason alone I was totally with Bellamy, despite him being an odious little prick of a person. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 I disagree, I think it was all Souness' fault. Good managers manager good players, not good people. That's a bit simplistic to be honest. Not many teams succeed with bad apples in their ranks. Sir Bobby made it work to an extent, but by the end, Bellamy's antics and that of others, lost him his job and it was one of the reasons Souness was (wrongly and pathetically) appointed. Bellamy basically didn't like being told what to do by anyone and thought he had made it at NUFC, he hated someone like Shearer being adored by all and respected by his team-mates, someone he found boring and a bit of a corporate man. He has no humility nor any professionalism. The bloke is a wanker and someone I certainly won't be looking back on in years to come with any real fondness. I'll reserve that for Speed, Nobby, Robert, Shearer et al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 Within reason I only care about what happens on the field, for that reason alone I was totally with Bellamy, despite him being an odious little prick of a person. So if Pardew keeps winning all is forgotten? Sorry but that's bull shit. I fucking hated Souness and was dead set against his appointment. I adored Bellamy as a player and for me he was arguably our most important player, but there is a line and he crossed it, not once but several times. If he went on the way he did with Souness with say KK, he would have been vilified by fans. He was the pantomime hero literally, to the devil incarnate that was Souness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 Within reason I only care about what happens on the field, for that reason alone I was totally with Bellamy, despite him being an odious little prick of a person. So if Pardew keeps winning all is forgotten? Sorry but that's bull shit. Yeah, it really is mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 I disagree, I think it was all Souness' fault. Good managers manager good players, not good people. That's a bit simplistic to be honest. Not many teams succeed with bad apples in their ranks. Sir Bobby made it work to an extent, but by the end, Bellamy's antics and that of others, lost him his job and it was one of the reasons Souness was (wrongly and pathetically) appointed. Bellamy basically didn't like being told what to do by anyone and thought he had made it at NUFC, he hated someone like Shearer being adored by all and respected by his team-mates, someone he found boring and a bit of a corporate man. He has no humility nor any professionalism. The bloke is a wanker and someone I certainly won't be looking back on in years to come with any real fondness. I'll reserve that for Speed, Nobby, Robert, Shearer et al. This has been brought up before about the success vs bad apples thing and I honestly listed like 30 players that were all successful or are successful despite being seen as bad apples. It's honestly rubbish. Just off the top of my head: Cantona, Suarez, Tevez, Ashley Cole, Terry, Keane, Khan, Ibrahimovic, Van Persie, Van Nistlerooy. Even players that are generally seen as good eggs or at least professionals can fall out with managers. Look at Shearer, Lee, Beckham, Staam, Yorke, Cole. I agree to an extent, but I truly believe that if a player is worth it, a good manager will negate for it because their contribution on the pitch is all that matters. Otherwise you end up with players like Shola, Smith and to a lesser extent Milner playing for you and you go exactly nowhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 Within reason I only care about what happens on the field, for that reason alone I was totally with Bellamy, despite him being an odious little prick of a person. So if Pardew keeps winning all is forgotten? Sorry but that's bull shit. I fucking hated Souness and was dead set against his appointment. I adored Bellamy as a player and for me he was arguably our most important player, but there is a line and he crossed it, not once but several times. If he went on the way he did with Souness with say KK, he would have been vilified by fans. He was the pantomime hero literally, to the devil incarnate that was Souness. If Pardew was a good manager, I'd have much less of a problem with him being a terrible man. Football comes first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 If we'd had him in our squad (and Souness wasn't being just as much of a cunt to Robert), we'd have won that quarter final against Sporting and faced AZ Alkmaar in the semis. But at least we got rid of both "bad apples" \o/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 Fucking shit spin there by Pardew. Fuck off, you cunt. Bellamy can fuck off, too. Didn't hear him moan when he played wide for Rovers, Liverpool and City. Little shit threatened to leave us had we signed Rooney, as well. Deluded shitface. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 http://i.imgur.com/2sOdl7N.jpg Have fun... http://www.yugiohcardmaker.net/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 I got bored. http://www.yugiohcardmaker.net/ycmaker/createcard.php?name=SanToon&cardtype=Trap&trapmagictype=Field&rarity=Common&picture=tempimages%2F147935366.png&circulation=&set1=&set2=&carddescription=When+this+card+is+applied+the+player+try+and+attack+the+opposition%2C+only+to+be+faced+by+a+railing%2C+which+he+will+attempt+to+jump+over+and+fall+flat+on+his+face+in+front+his%2Fhers+idol.%0D%0A%0D%0A-60%25+Respect&creator=NewcOnline&year=2014&serial=00580891 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 He was perfectly within his rights to take on a manager who did damage to the club that we've never recovered from. In the way he did? Personally I found the whole chapter embarrassing, damaging and not befitting of our club. Again, I wouldn't be surprised if Bellamy used the situation to engineer a move away. Souness was 100% wrong to use him the way he did and Bellamy was right, Souness wasn't the right man etc. we all knew that, but he feigned injury by all accounts and caused an uproar behind the scenes. At the time, Bellamy vs Souness was like choosing between good and evil, but in hindsight they were both bad apples if you like. Selfishly of course Bellamy was more important to the club in terms of how good he was and what he brought to the team, but we were well shot of him as we were Souness. FS should of fired them both together. Fired our best player because he didn't get on with a manager who put his own ego before the club. Quality. Brilliant insight. Bold is nonsense, too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 Turns out my new neighbour is a Newcastle fan. I asked him if he wanted Pardew out to gauge his retardedness but he said no and that he's a 'good manager'. Though he did also say we started off the season well with the draw against City. I reminded him we lost 2-0 to which he replied 'but we held them to a draw at half-time'. Oh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 Maybe he won a nice bet there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 Turns out my new neighbour is a Newcastle fan. I asked him if he wanted Pardew out to gauge his retardedness but he said no and that he's a 'good manager'. Though he did also say we started off the season well with the draw against City. I reminded him we lost 2-0 to which he replied 'but we held them to a draw at half-time'. Oh. I'd sell my house. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 Turns out my new neighbour is a Newcastle fan. I asked him if he wanted Pardew out to gauge his retardedness but he said no and that he's a 'good manager'. Though he did also say we started off the season well with the draw against City. I reminded him we lost 2-0 to which he replied 'but we held them to a draw at half-time'. Oh. I'd sell my house. Burn it to the ground, declare bankruptcy and start again, it's the only way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 Turns out my new neighbour is a Newcastle fan. I asked him if he wanted Pardew out to gauge his retardedness but he said no and that he's a 'good manager'. Though he did also say we started off the season well with the draw against City. I reminded him we lost 2-0 to which he replied 'but we held them to a draw at half-time'. Oh. Holding a team to a draw until half time matters. You can tell it does, due to all the points you don't get. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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