Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Going on earlier on MOTD2 extra or whatever the fuck it's called about us setting up to counter Chelsea. Fair enough with Chelsea, but if these cunts paid attention every week they'd see that we mostly set ourselves up to counter a team, home or away. We always set up as if we're onĀ the back foot. If Chelsea had had one of two of those first half chances on target they'd have scored and we'd have lost. Fair enough yesterday, they didn't and we did well. But the reason why we're shit and people can't even get excited about winning is because we're never excited about taking games to teams. We never expect us to go and play football, try and keep the ball, dominate, out pass... I hate wins like this where Chelsea's poor finishing was as much to do with us winning than us actually being good. It'd be okay if thats how our game was analysed: Newcastle did well after theyw were let off the hook for not being good enough with the ball. Are we meant to watch every week, in the hope teams don't take their chances when we allow them the ball and accept our place as a team that when we win, regardless of who against, it's an achievement, rather than a given. We should win a lot of games as a given, and I'd like to feel like that going in to any game. But I don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jericho Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Honestly, feel like punching this c*** straight in the mouth as soon as he starts speaking.Ā So f***ing smug man. http://oi59.tinypic.com/102jtzq.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthiGeordie Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 We are set up to defend first and then to attach on the break. It is great when we get result against the big teams but it is embarrassing when we play teams like burnly and do the same thing. Bad that we dont have plan B. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 We are set up to defend first and then to attach on the break. It is great when we get result against the big teams but it is embarrassing when we play teams like burnly and do the same thing. Bad that we dont have plan B. Ā hi, welcome to 3.5 years ago, we're glad you came Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 ikri should post more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gino14 Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Loads of people simply parrot what they've read in the press & heard from professional pundits on TV and radio.Ā They can recognise when something is going wrong but get a lot of conflicting messages about the cause, you get former players giving interviews to say that it's the player's fault, too many foreigners unused to the style of football, etc.Ā They'll say that Pardew is doing as well as he can with the resources he has been given (partially true, it is possibly the best he can do with the players), that it's all Ashley's fault for not spending more money (again, partially true, he could spend more money).Ā You have to remember that Pardew, Bruce, Pulis, Allardyce, etc. are considered top English managers, yet loads of people consider them to be blithering idiots.Ā The vast majority of managers aren't exactly intellectual elites, most of them will have largely dropped out of mainstream education age 14-16 to devote themselves to football and yet we're amazed that managers who didn't play professionally (Mourinho) or who later went into further & higher education (van Gaal, Wenger) turn out to be the best managers around.Ā I suspect that a huge proportion of Football Manager players would run rings around most "top" managers if it weren't for the fact that the players wouldn't take notice of them since they had no background in football.Ā People will believe the "experts" despite a lot of the pundits being coaches who aren't going to slag off a potential employer, or managers who aren't willing to have a go at a friend & colleague so that when they get their own chance again they'll hope to be given the same ludicrous leeway that Pardew gets, or former players who completely out of touch with the modern game.Ā A lot of the press are just as bad, they won't be truly critical of the club in case their access is removed (look at the difference in reporting before & after media outlets have been banned by the club) or, like the local press, the writing is so incompetent that school kids would get in trouble for submitting such badly written rubbish.Ā We're supposed to listen to experts like Andy Cole and respect his opinion, the same Andy Cole who was banned from talking to the press by us and Man Utd for years because everyone recognised that he could barely string a sentence together.Ā Nicky Butt tells us that Pardew needs to win a cup as if that's some amazing revelation, why did no one else ever consider winning a cup as a way to please fans?Ā Absolute fuckwits the whole lot of them. Ā Great post and great points about education.Ā It's not the be all and end all obviously.Ā It won't increase someone's natural intelligence, but it will give them more of a sense of awareness and different perspectives.Ā One of the main things higher levels of education teach are abilities to think of and support a logical argument.Ā It's no coincidence that the best managers, often bat away journalist questions with ease, simply providing their simple and logical reasoning for their choices.Ā When you listen to a manager like Pardew by comparison, his reasons are all from a small toy box of idiotic football cliches.Ā "We lacked fret, so I stuck a fast runner on."Ā A lot of the dinosaur managers also seem to view Football like it exists in some kind of vacuum.Ā Pardew sets up a game plan and then expects it to work, because it should counter what the other team normally does.Ā It's not very often he realises that they'll react to his plans and change their game during the match, especially when losing.Ā The amount of times we've been doing alright in a game, the other team has changed it and Pardew has had no answer is shockingly bad.Ā Even yesterday he got away with it.Ā We countered Chelsea's threats well, but when they put Drogba on and went more direct, they just battered us for twenty minutes.Ā Pardew had no answer at all and we just about clung on for grimm death.Ā This is exactly what I'd expect from the poorly structured thinking of the poorer managers in the league.Ā The ones that people revere have three or four different plans they can use, know which of their players properly change games and when to use them.Ā They certainly don't employ the old "Oh look my watch says 60 minutes I'll make a sub" technique of a Pardew type manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 I think for a long time it have struggled to understand Pardew's footballing philosophy since Cabaye left (and possibly before) but I think it is really starting to become a little more consistent and coherent.Ā This philosophy is a clear defensive, counter attacking game.Ā As a Plan A, with no other coherent strategy this philosophy is our biggest Achilles heel.Ā The system relies on confidence in defence, and confidence in attack. If both are good, we can win several games in a row against all kinds of opposition.Ā But if the defeats start creeping in, a key player gets injured, sold or is just lacking form then it takes the whole team down with them and we can go on a run of negative results.Ā Should the opponent get an early goal, we are liable to be thrashed. If we are ahead the opposition will be given time on the ball to attack out box, and that will often pay off.Ā A visionary chairman would acknowledge that Pardew has in four years built a solid platform on a pile of sand, and would let a new manager to sort the groundwork out whilst retaining and developing the platform. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Wrong thread for this - but we desperately need a match where a shit team or 2 falls down to 10 men and we get a Stoke (h) performance where we turn them over by 2-3 goals. Our goal differential is classically awful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Wrong thread for this - but we desperately need a match where a shit team or 2 falls down to 10 men and we get a Stoke (h) performance where we turn them over by 2-3 goals. Our goal differential is classically awful. Ā Our goal difference is telling the true story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gino14 Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 By goal difference we'd be 10th instead of 7th, which is probably a reflection of where we are, but the league is tight.Ā We could quite easily be tenth after the next game anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Inability to get anything at West Ham and fucking draw Burnley was very frustrating Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gino14 Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Burnley are awful and that game was frustrating, especially Pardew proclaiming it a 'great point'.Ā West Ham though are on the luck of the devil kind of run.Ā They're doing some good things, but everything seems to be going for them right now.Ā A guy heading a clearable ball into his own net today and the ref sending the keeper off in a debatable way certainly helped them today for instance.Ā The goal they got against us was a very lucky run of the ball as well.Ā I say this accepting that we've had some incredible luck this season as well, but West Ham are also on that kind of run and got the luck against us.Ā They certainly weren't any better than us on the day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 We all know that's his downfall. Just plays the same vs. everyone. Fucking starting Gouffran at Burnley, the utter muppet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 The most realistic way of getting Pardew out at this point is probably us winning a cup, finishing 4th, and him getting poached by Liverpool Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest optimistic nit Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Some of the excuses for why Pardew is a shit manager on this forum are fucking ridiculous. Anyone care to mention a better manager we've had at this club over the last 20 years Robson and Keegan excluded? Ā Things are by no means perfect at this club at the moment, but the Dalgleish, Gullit, Souness, Allardyce and Kinnear years were fucking horrendous. Roeder's term was slightly better but still overwhelmingly average and who knows where we would have ended up now if Hughton had kept the job, but I doubt we'd be doing much better.Ā We're 7th in the league and half the members of this board want us to lose so that Pardew is sacked. I can understand wanting your team to lose so the manager gets sacked when we're lower mid-table, but we're one win away from third and the mass hysteria on this board seems a little bit melodramatic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Uh-oh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Some of the excuses for why Pardew is a s*** manager on this forum are f***ing ridiculous. Anyone care to mention a better manager we've had at this club over the last 20 years Robson and Keegan excluded? Ā Things are by no means perfect at this club at the moment, but the Dalgleish, Gullit, Souness, Allardyce and Kinnear years were f***ing horrendous. Roeder's term was slightly better but still overwhelmingly average and who knows where we would have ended up now if Hughton had kept the job, but I doubt we'd be doing much better.Ā We're 7th in the league and half the members of this board want us to lose so that Pardew is sacked. I can understand wanting your team to lose so the manager gets sacked when we're lower mid-table, but we're one win away from third and the mass hysteria on this board seems a little bit melodramatic. Ā http://rs1img.memecdn.com/u-wot-m8_o_1416189.jpgĀ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 The most realistic way of getting Pardew out at this point is probably us winning a cup, finishing 4th, and him getting poached by Liverpool Ā That would be the best thing to happen in history. Ever. Of all mankind and animalkind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Proper weird his fans that crawl out the woodwork after a few games. Why don't you have the courage of your convictions to come on after three consecutive derby defeats and tell us how good he is? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Proper weird his fans that crawl out the woodwork after a few games. Why don't you have the courage of your convictions to come on after three consecutive derby defeats and tell us how good he is? Ā Had some donkey tweeting some provocative shit at me the last couple of days now that we're winning because of my strong anti-Pardew tweets in the past. He's not even a Newcastle fan. Just some media wannabe arselicker trying to be inflammatory. That's the kind of following Pardew has. Blinkered idiots who don't understand that the details make up the bigger picture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Pulled from an old thread: http://www.gizoogle.net/tranzizzle.php?search=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nufc.co.uk%2Farticles%2F20130427%2Fpardew-we-apologise_2281670_3159680&se=Go+Git+Dis+ShiznitĀ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 It's not a matter of being a 'Pardew fan'. My attitude was that he should have another season in which to prove himself, because over the previous two years there had been problems that weren't of his making. (eg Kinnear) I wanted to see if he could get the team improving again, and playing better football.Ā So the time to assess that wasn't at the end of September, of even now, but in May, where you can take stock not just of the final result, but all the inevitable ups and downs along the way.Ā But I would say, so far so good. This team is definitely improving, in terms of individual performances and overall cohesion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 My attitude was that he should have another season in which to prove himself, because over the previous two years there had been problems that weren't of his making. (eg Kinnear) I wanted to see if he could get the team improving again, and playing better football. Ā Such as? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemagpie Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Well i'm firmly in the anti pardew brigade but if people cant come on here and express an alternative point of view without being ridiculed and abused then you have to wonder whats the point of this place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Well i'm firmly in the anti pardew brigade but if people cant come on here and express an alternative point of view without being ridiculed and abused then you have to wonder whats the point of this place. What abuse? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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