Tachikoma Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Tbf, I think Ashley is more to blame than Pardew is (although they both obviously have their faults). But if I was Pardew I would probably do the same. Newcastle United is just a job to him, if Ashley was stupid enough to give him a ridiculous contract why should Pardew walk away, whether he feels he can change things or not. In all honesty he probably thinks he owes nothing more to Mike Ashley as he has taken the brunt of the blame for Ashley's inadequate running of a football club and will bleed every penny he can out of him. Not this s*** again. Ashley is a crap owner but he doesn't pick the team, dictate tactics or run training sessions. Ashley hasn't consistently picked inferior players (Smith, Perch, Gosling, Ameobi) when other options have been available to the detriment of the team and club as a whole. Ashley isn't the one who has shoehorned players into the team out of their natural positions, destroying their confidence and nullifying any threat they might have once offered. Ashley and Pardew are a good match for each other, they each cover the other's inadequacies but it has gone beyond the point now where Pardew is only holding back the club with his own shitness. Pardew is now the root cause of most of the team's issues and has to go. You ask why he should simply walk away since he has a contract? Because it's got the point where the crowd detest him, the players no longer give a f*** and even the media have started to wake up to his inabilities. If he walks away now he might still get another job in the Premiership or top end of the Championship, the longer he allows it to continue the more questions will be raised about his skills and fewer clubs will think him a potential asset. Walk away now and let the media run with the stories that it was Ashley's way of running the club that harmed the team, or carry on and let everyone know it was Pardew himself who couldn't organise a gangbang in a brothel. Mark Hughes or David O'Leary, pick a career path. I'm not saying that Pardew is innocent either, I just feel that Ashley is more to blame. Yes Pardew picks the team, but how much of a say does he have in the players at his disposal? He has shown in the past that he can get results when he has the right players. He is no scout, I doubt he even knows who half of the players we signed this summer actually are but we finished 5th with Pardew as a manager and a very average side tbh. But when Ashley decides he wants to sell our best player (by far) because he is far more interested in lining his own pockets than the fortunes of the football club. That is why, imo, Ashley is more to blame. So sick of this 'we finished 5th once so he must be good' sh*te. I really am. Ipswich have finished 5th with George Burley. Allardyce finished 6th with Bolton. Do you want either of them as manager (again in Fat Sam's case)? Is it qualification enough? Numpty fluked it, it can happen. He'll never manage it again and don't kid yourself or any one else gullible enough to listen that he can. I remember coming away from a lot of games that season thinking either it was a very evenly balanced game we were lucky to win, or that we have downright robbed the other team! The following season I don't think we were significantly worse, I don't think European football really affected us (we played the kids and reserves after all), we just didn't have fortune on our side the way we did in 11/12. That season was a pure fluke. I made plenty of noises after the 5th place finish that the way we were playing was going to make those results totally unsustainable. We had a quite a share of good fortune. We also very 'direct' in our play and relied a lot on the opposition making mistakes. Which they did. There was clearly no plan for evolving a system and style out of that fortunate finish. If there had been one we could used the fact that we looked like an attractive proposition given our league finish to sign the kind of players we would have needed to kick on. Newcastle Utd is nothing but a Sports Direct first Eleven. Just an advertising board for his tat. Ashley has absolutely zero sporting ambition. Not one iota. Agreed. One of the best examples of this is the away game at Swansea in 2012. We were absolutely bossed around for 90 minutes. Cisse scored 2 and we got three points. Redonkulous. I mean just look at the stats: http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/8-2011/matches/360787/summary#tabs-wrapper-anchor LOOK AT THEM! 77% vs 23% possesion.... Eh, I'm no Pardew supporter but Swansea were crap that day. Most of the possession was backwards passes in the first two thirds of the pitch. They were absolutely awful in the final third and never looked like scoring. We were much more comfortable than those statistics suggest, they never really looked like scoring. We wouldn't have either if Cisse wasn't on a shit-hot streak, tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesPaul Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Tbf, I think Ashley is more to blame than Pardew is (although they both obviously have their faults). But if I was Pardew I would probably do the same. Newcastle United is just a job to him, if Ashley was stupid enough to give him a ridiculous contract why should Pardew walk away, whether he feels he can change things or not. In all honesty he probably thinks he owes nothing more to Mike Ashley as he has taken the brunt of the blame for Ashley's inadequate running of a football club and will bleed every penny he can out of him. Not this s*** again. Ashley is a crap owner but he doesn't pick the team, dictate tactics or run training sessions. Ashley hasn't consistently picked inferior players (Smith, Perch, Gosling, Ameobi) when other options have been available to the detriment of the team and club as a whole. Ashley isn't the one who has shoehorned players into the team out of their natural positions, destroying their confidence and nullifying any threat they might have once offered. Ashley and Pardew are a good match for each other, they each cover the other's inadequacies but it has gone beyond the point now where Pardew is only holding back the club with his own shitness. Pardew is now the root cause of most of the team's issues and has to go. You ask why he should simply walk away since he has a contract? Because it's got the point where the crowd detest him, the players no longer give a f*** and even the media have started to wake up to his inabilities. If he walks away now he might still get another job in the Premiership or top end of the Championship, the longer he allows it to continue the more questions will be raised about his skills and fewer clubs will think him a potential asset. Walk away now and let the media run with the stories that it was Ashley's way of running the club that harmed the team, or carry on and let everyone know it was Pardew himself who couldn't organise a gangbang in a brothel. Mark Hughes or David O'Leary, pick a career path. I'm not saying that Pardew is innocent either, I just feel that Ashley is more to blame. Yes Pardew picks the team, but how much of a say does he have in the players at his disposal? He has shown in the past that he can get results when he has the right players. He is no scout, I doubt he even knows who half of the players we signed this summer actually are but we finished 5th with Pardew as a manager and a very average side tbh. But when Ashley decides he wants to sell our best player (by far) because he is far more interested in lining his own pockets than the fortunes of the football club. That is why, imo, Ashley is more to blame. So sick of this 'we finished 5th once so he must be good' sh*te. I really am. Ipswich have finished 5th with George Burley. Allardyce finished 6th with Bolton. Do you want either of them as manager (again in Fat Sam's case)? Is it qualification enough? Numpty fluked it, it can happen. He'll never manage it again and don't kid yourself or any one else gullible enough to listen that he can. I remember coming away from a lot of games that season thinking either it was a very evenly balanced game we were lucky to win, or that we have downright robbed the other team! The following season I don't think we were significantly worse, I don't think European football really affected us (we played the kids and reserves after all), we just didn't have fortune on our side the way we did in 11/12. That season was a pure fluke. I made plenty of noises after the 5th place finish that the way we were playing was going to make those results totally unsustainable. We had a quite a share of good fortune. We also very 'direct' in our play and relied a lot on the opposition making mistakes. Which they did. There was clearly no plan for evolving a system and style out of that fortunate finish. If there had been one we could used the fact that we looked like an attractive proposition given our league finish to sign the kind of players we would have needed to kick on. Newcastle Utd is nothing but a Sports Direct first Eleven. Just an advertising board for his tat. Ashley has absolutely zero sporting ambition. Not one iota. Agreed. One of the best examples of this is the away game at Swansea in 2012. We were absolutely bossed around for 90 minutes. Cisse scored 2 and we got three points. Redonkulous. I mean just look at the stats: http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/8-2011/matches/360787/summary#tabs-wrapper-anchor LOOK AT THEM! 77% vs 23% possesion.... Eh, I'm no Pardew supporter but Swansea were crap that day. Most of the possession was backwards passes in the first two thirds of the pitch. They were absolutely awful in the final third and never looked like scoring. We were much more comfortable than those statistics suggest, they never really looked like scoring. We wouldn't have either if Cisse wasn't on a shit-hot streak, tbf. Yeah that's true but he actually was that good until he was Pardewd. I agree with the point that we weren't that good in the 5th place season. That's obvious to anyone who watched us but we were definitely the better team against Swansea that day and deserved the three points. Even if we did have only 23% of the possession. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Aye I remember watching that game thinking 'is this it?'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesPaul Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 It was effective but far from entertaining and personally I'm willing to put up with that. We don't have as good a team anymore though so we're stuck with shite. Nobody wants that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 For once Lawro is right: http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/734591038?-21483:5807 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Shame it's taken the website for all the idiots in the media to wake up but at least it's finally happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Shame it's taken the website for all the idiots in the media to wake up but at least it's finally happened. i don't think this situation will ever be repeated at another club personally, a manager so shameless and greedy to hang on for the payoff and an owner with such disregard for the club he owns and it's fans that he's willing to throw a person under the bus today in order to force him to resign to save a few quid pardew has done such a good job through the same media of convincing loads of our fans and the media themselves that he bears no responsbility for results - the website is amazing and blows it all out of the water one thing i'd say is this though, if the media didn't think that most fans wanted him out they'd still be peddling the same shite, they're just jumping on the bandwagon now that's clear virtually no-one wants him at the club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 So Mike's set his stall out. Only option is to force Pardew to resign. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 So Mike's set his stall out. Only option is to force Pardew to resign. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Already making excuses and the game hasn't started yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Doesn't look very confident in his SSN pre-match interview. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Not making eye contact. He's close to defeated. Needs to be intense today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 "Not going to be easy for us today" "Want to win the first half"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 "Important for Noocarsel...." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 "Want to win the first half"? Has he NUFC HT / Hull FT bet going on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 We get a pre-match interview from both managers shown for the main games in Australia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Did Ashely bastard say he supporting Fuck face Pardew? or did am i missing the point?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakka Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 His time is up, for real this time. I can feel it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepharite Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Pardew is going nowhere. Mike wants him to resign. Captain Ego thinks he's fucking great.... Supporters lose. Fuck my life! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Did Ashely bastard say he supporting Fuck face Pardew? or did am i missing the point?? Via SSN, yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Hull are a good team, we need to be up to the task because this won't be easy. Hull. That's hull. Hull. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Fuck this......lets relegate and stay there till he sells. Ashely should die early. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 tbf looking at the lineups they have a better team than us right now. And that's with HBA not available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Every manager gets the backing from the owner/chairman just before he gets sacked. Fear not, the writing is on the wall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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