Crystal Palace manager

[merlin]

Great article and it's brilliant that Edward's pointed out that's the way society is going.

 

Bellamy's comments at the weekend bothered me. He was giving the big one about how we expect to be better than Liverpool but we really shouldn't have that expectation. I thought he had some bloody nerve. For the majority of the time he spent here he was on Liverpool-like wages. We have top support. We should demand to compete on that level. If we get top 7 revenue and wages, we should be in the top 7. If we have the potential to get either of the two in the top 4 - we should try.

 

We won't get there with Pardew.

Bellamy is a jumped-up ignorant worm - had a decent spell at NUFC under SBR but has always been a trouble-maker and stirrer.

Not worth a tuppeny toss...

 

A 'decent spell'.

 

He was very arguably our best player for the 3 seasons we finished in our highest positions since Keegan.

 

In your view, maybe - he missed easy chances and he was the main beneficiary of Shearer's ability to take the pressure and lead the line.

All Bellamy did was pick up the pieces - and he never, ever, achieved the same success with another club.

 

Your main point is horrendously wrong as others have mentioned. Shearer didn't manage a single good season after Bellamy left. Shearer benefited from Bellamy tremendously (and vice versa).

 

Also his career after us was pretty successful tbf. When we where on our way to mediocrity and relegation Bellamy had his most prolific scoring season the following year (17 in 32), won a couple cups, got his home club promoted to the PL for the first time ever, scored and assisted in a CL QF victory at the Nou Camp.

 

Never, ever amounted to much after? Laughable.

You might be laughing - I don't find Bellamy remotely amusing...and if you think he would have had anything like the modicum of success he had at NUFC without Shearer taking the target man role, then you are living in dreamland.

[Ronaldo]

Aye. Not as if he scored 17 goals in 26 games for Blackburn Rovers - with the 'target man role' expertly fulfilled by Shefki Kuqi.

[Yorkie]

It's one of the greatest turnarounds in black and white history, tbf. Remember Feyenoord? Me neither.

[Hughesy]

Aye. Not as if he scored 17 goals in 26 games for Blackburn Rovers - with the 'target man role' expertly fulfilled by Shefki Kuqi.

 

Not sure where you got your stats from, but his best ever season for any club was at Blackburn where he scored 13 league goals in 27 matches (17 goals in all competitions in 32 games - 4 goals against Huddersfield (then in League 1) and QPR (who finished 21st in the Championship)).  He's never been prolific as his finishing wasn't good enough.  He was helped enormously by Shearer and vice versa.

[Ronaldo]

Aye. Not as if he scored 17 goals in 26 games for Blackburn Rovers - with the 'target man role' expertly fulfilled by Shefki Kuqi.

 

Not sure where you got your stats from, but his best ever season for any club was at Blackburn where he scored 13 league goals in 27 matches (17 goals in all competitions in 32 games - 4 goals against Huddersfield (then in League 1) and QPR (who finished 21st in the Championship)).  He's never been prolific as his finishing wasn't good enough.  He was helped enormously by Shearer and vice versa.

 

He quite blatantly helped Blackburn Rovers and Shefki Kuqi to 6th a season after scoring 10 goals for us before Christmas, following 3 seasons of us being top 5 with him which we've failed to better from 1997 to present day. I'd say there's ample evidence that Bellamy had a massively positive effect on NUFC. Anyone arguing otherwise is following a bitter little agenda.

 

Shearer could still play, no doubt. But 4 consecutive seasons of finishing in the bottom half to repeat title challengers? Robert and Bellamy did that.

[Interpolic]

But 4 consecutive seasons of finishing in the bottom half to repeat title challengers? Robert and Bellamy did that.

 

Strange argument.  They didn't do that actually, or couldn't have without the likes of Shearer, Given, Speed and Solano already in the side.

 

I agree with you in general, Robson's homecoming was in danger of fizzling out before he brought Bellamy and Robert in.  People seem to forget that in his first full season we finished 11th.  Bellamy and Robert took us to another level after that but they couldn't have done so without the half dozen good players already at the club.

[Ronaldo]

But 4 consecutive seasons of finishing in the bottom half to repeat title challengers? Robert and Bellamy did that.

 

Strange argument.  They didn't do that actually, or couldn't have without the likes of Shearer, Given, Speed and Solano already in the side.

 

All of whom had finished in the bottom half for 4 seasons. Nobody said we could have done it without them, but Bellamy and Robert were responsible for the vast improvement. We were absolutely crying out for 2 players like that, and getting them facilitated the leap from finishing 13th (98, 99) and 11th (00, 01) to 4th and 3rd.

[Yorkie]

You've only got to look at the 03/04 season to recognise Bellamy's importance to the Robson sides. We were without him for half of that season (it was Robert's best, incidentally) and we were nothing like the team of the previous seasons. We should've bought someone else that summer instead of settling for Shola as third choice. Were we even linked with any strikers in the naff Bowyer window?

[mrmojorisin75]

Fuck is everyone whittering on about this shit, take it out of the Pardew hate thread please. Jesus how are we supposed to hate the man properly?

[Ronaldo]

Blame Merlin for his utterly embarrassing take on a player whose arrival and departure symbolised the beginning and end of the last great period to be an NUFC fan.

[merlin]

Blame Merlin for his utterly embarrassing take on a player whose arrival and departure symbolised the beginning and end of the last great period to be an NUFC fan.

No wonder NUFC is in such a state if you believe that Bellamy was a symbol of the club's greatness - the only wonder is that you actually want Pardew out.

As for you stupid comment about my view, that reflects more on you than it does on me - you can lick Bellamy's boots if you want but there are plenty that won't, including me ; his comment about the club was typical of him...small minded, wrong and petty. If I had my way, he would never be allowed back into SJP unless he was an opposition player.

With his views about our club and fans he would have been an ideal signing for the current regime, and the likes of you would have licked his boots.

[Guest JS]

http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-articles/alan-pardew-claims-great-new-master-plan/

 

Alan Pardew has claimed that Newcastle United are even more of a threat at times when they haven’t got the ball.

 

The Newcastle manager reflecting on wins over Spurs, Manchester City and Liverpool when United only had around a third of the possession.

 

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Pardew claims that other teams are finding it hard to figure out how to combat the system he has switched to in recent weeks, playing 4-3-3, or in reality, 4-5-1;

 

“Our system is causing other teams problems, they will get to grips with it and we will have to ask a different question.

 

“We have played that system (4-3-3/4-5-1) with some successful (Newcastle) teams.”

 

The manager claims that while the formation is the same as when Newcastle finished fifth and the early part of last season, the make-up of the current team means that it is used differently;

 

“We played it when finishing fifth, and we played that system at the start of last year (season), but this team has a different make up to those two teams.

 

“Those teams were about possession but this team is quite happy not to have the ball.

 

“It can be just as dangerous without the ball – perhaps even more of a threat at times.”

 

I think to a large extent Alan Pardew is trying to fit his footballing ‘philosophy’ after the event, defending in depth and trying to counter-attack is hardly a revelation in football.

 

While we are all enjoying the recent wins and the fact the players are showing great application and digging in, I don’t think ‘being happy not to have the ball’ is a great long-term winning strategy.

 

Overall, the more possession you have then the more you win.

 

I also disagree with Pardew’s claims that last season’s early form and when Newcastle finished fifth was built more on having possession.

 

The 2011/12 season was built on largely even matches, or more possession for the opposition, then swift counter-attacks and wonder goals from Cabaye, Ba, Cisse and Ben Arfa.

 

Only in a late half dozen game spell that season did United ever really dominate any teams.

 

Likewise, last season early on, it was Cabaye and Loic Remy supplying counter-attacks and goals out of nothing, with Ben Arfa chipping in with a few as well in the very early games.

 

Nothing wrong with what is happening at the minute and defending deep to try and get clean sheets and rebuild confidence, but it isn’t a great Pardew master plan moving forward.

 

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[Ikon]

“Those teams were about possession"

[Darth Crooks]

Spawny clueless. 'Quite happy not to have the ball.' This is why he hasn't and never will change. Stubborn jobs for the boys twat.

[Guest JS]

You can only assume (though I think the more switched on people here know this with a degree of certainty) he's making this shit up because he genuinely has no idea how to coach or get a football team to play possession football. Making shit up to cover his own inadequacies and he's spinning it to make him sound like it's part of some master plan to play winning football? Fuck me, not even in a parallel universe would any sane person say a team without the ball, in a fucking football match, is somehow more 'dangerous'. Dangerous at doing fucking what, giving the opposition the chance to stick the ball in the fucking net? Is this cunt for fucking real? And an overwhelming majority actually want him to STAY as manager of this football club? Fuck me, maybe Ashley is right after all - thick people easily convinced

[geordiesteve710]

Blame Merlin for his utterly embarrassing take on a player whose arrival and departure symbolised the beginning and end of the last great period to be an NUFC fan.

No wonder NUFC is in such a state if you believe that Bellamy was a symbol of the club's greatness - the only wonder is that you actually want Pardew out.

As for you stupid comment about my view, that reflects more on you than it does on me - you can lick Bellamy's boots if you want but there are plenty that won't, including me ; his comment about the club was typical of him...small minded, wrong and petty. If I had my way, he would never be allowed back into SJP unless he was an opposition player.

With his views about our club and fans he would have been an ideal signing for the current regime, and the likes of you would have licked his boots.

 

Bellamy was a damn fine player, even if his constant moaning and whinging was embarrassing. The job a player like that does for the team cannot simply be measured in goal statistics I.e. Forcing errors from defenders, pulling them out of position to create space for others, providing a constant outlet when it needs to be hit long.

 

BUT (and it's a fucking big but) the way he has carried on since leaving NUFC he has completely alienated himself imo. The texting to mock us getting beat in the semi was bad enough but his recent comments, and it's not the first time he has said it, are the worst. As correctly pointed out by Ronaldo hos time here coincided with the last time we were genuinely capable of challenging for honours. Given the well known extra curricular activities of Bellamy amongst others it is without doubt that these lads were not treating their bodies in a way which would enable them to fulfil their potential as athletes and maybe, you know, win something. To later hear that a factor in this behaviour was a 'its only Newcastle United they don't win trophies anyway' attitude should frankly leave everyone associated with the club feeling cheated. Not to mention that he once feigned injury to duck out of a game!!

 

And this constant narrative he pushes of aligning himself with Bobby Robson as if they were kindred spirits brutally treated by the fickle baying mob together leaves a nasty taste as well. Two more different characters you could not wish to find.

 

Sorry, going off topic. Isn't Pardew a cunt.

[Wullie]

Yet back in 2011, Steve Stone was telling all and sundry how wonderful Pardew was for, guess what, ceding possession: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/legacy/thefootballtacticsblog/2011/10/newcastle_profit_from_pardews.html

 

you are at your weakest when you have the ball, when you are attacking or when you have a corner

[geordiesteve710]

You can only assume (though I think the more switched on people here know this with a degree of certainty) he's making this s*** up because he genuinely has no idea how to coach or get a football team to play possession football. Making s*** up to cover his own inadequacies and he's spinning it to make him sound like it's part of some master plan to play winning football? f*** me, not even in a parallel universe would any sane person say a team without the ball, in a f***ing football match, is somehow more 'dangerous'. Dangerous at doing f***ing what, giving the opposition the chance to stick the ball in the f***ing net? Is this c*** for f***ing real? And an overwhelming majority actually want him to STAY as manager of this football club? f*** me, maybe Ashley is right after all - thick people easily convinced

 

He's literally sat for days thinking of how to spin this and the best he's got is 'Sometimes we don't got the ball much.' Before explaining the concept of simple counter attacking slowly as if he's reinvented catenaccio or summat man. Unbelievable no-one's called him out on this shit.

[Dave]

Unbelievable no-one's called him out on this shit.

 

They did, but we strung a few wins together for the first time in a year and they've been told to pipe down as the panic is over and Pardew is a genius again.

[geordiesteve710]

Unbelievable no-one's called him out on this s***.

 

They did, but we strung a few wins together for the first time in a year and they've been told to pipe down as the panic is over and Pardew is a genius again.

 

Sorry, I was thinking of professional journalists, mass media etc.

 

You know the people paid to provide insightful comment as their job.

 

Should have clarified.

[Chicane]

Isn't that Mourinho's whole philosophy? Pretty sure he's said those words almost exactly before. Pards probably heard him say it and decided to repeat it.

[Dave]

Unbelievable no-one's called him out on this s***.

 

They did, but we strung a few wins together for the first time in a year and they've been told to pipe down as the panic is over and Pardew is a genius again.

 

Sorry, I was thinking of professional journalists, mass media etc.

 

You know the people paid to provide insightful comment as their job.

 

Should have clarified.

 

Oh I quite agree. Seems so obvious doesn't it.

[Guest thenorthumbrian]

Unbelievable no-one's called him out on this s***.

 

They did, but we strung a few wins together for the first time in a year and they've been told to pipe down as the panic is over and Pardew is a genius again.

 

Sorry, I was thinking of professional journalists, mass media etc.

 

You know the people paid to provide insightful comment as their job.

 

Should have clarified.

 

God knows why, but there seems to be a love-in between some of the media and Pardew.

[Guest thenorthumbrian]

Isn't that Mourinho's whole philosophy? Pretty sure he's said those words almost exactly before. Pards probably heard him say it and decided to repeat it.

 

I am sure that Pardew and Mourinho are of a similar standard as managers.

In Pardew's brain.

 

[Ronaldo]

Blame Merlin for his utterly embarrassing take on a player whose arrival and departure symbolised the beginning and end of the last great period to be an NUFC fan.

No wonder NUFC is in such a state if you believe that Bellamy was a symbol of the club's greatness - the only wonder is that you actually want Pardew out.

 

Have you always been this thick? The only time we've enjoyed football even approaching great in the past 17 years has direct correlation with Bellamy's 3 full seasons. Having the capacity to recognise this has nothing to do with the state of the club. It is, however, basic common sense.