AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I'd love our English players to do well, part of the reason I've given Sammy so much time. Just so happens most of our homegrown players have been poor recently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Rolando Aarons is literally the most exciting thing about our club, on the other hand Vuckic has been accepted shit for years despite being one of them untouchable forrens. It has nothing to do with nationality at that age. 'Mature' English players who are known to be shit/average as we've seen them develop at a rival club will get a rough ride, you have to give foreigners more of an opportunity to prove themselves in this league obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 There is a bias towards foreign lads on this forum but it is somewhat deserved considering most of our imports have come with a level of pedigree and our home lads don't. It is poor that our English lads receive less patience on this forum than foreign lads mind. Mostly talking about the youngsters here. That's he generalising nonsense to be honest I'm sorry. The English players we've had recently have either been past it (butt/smith) mediocre (colback/Simpson) or just plain rubbish (Williamson) this more down to a poor academy structure and management ( pardew only utilised British youngsters to hang them out to dry or in games they planned to throw for instance) you pay a premium for British talent for which we aren't prepared to pay and as soon as a decent one comes along they are sold. Once again, it's the poisonous actions of a club that doesn't care rather than simplistic generalisations that we're bunch of English bashing mobsters. The foreign lads who are any good get sold too after a season or two so meh...what's the point? Again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Obertan too, somebody many assumed was shit when Man Utd wanted absolutely nothing to do with him and it didn't take long for people to realise that was the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Not sure about us hating English tbh. Home county-wise we all have/had plenty of support for Shane Ferguson, Tavernier, Forster, Aarons, Armstrong, Carroll and we all f***ing love Bigirimana. We generally don't have support for the disgusting players like Moke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Can't believe this argument ever gets discussed. It's total bullshit. Each player gets judged on how shit they are at football, simple as that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Can't believe this argument ever gets discussed. It's total bullshit. Each player gets judged on how s*** they are at football, simple as that. Yep - usually tends to come from an individual who rates an English player and doesn't like to see others speak ill of that player. Then the 'anti-English' line is trotted out without any substance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Not really. Sammy, Dummett and to a lesser extent Colback receive undue criticism. Dummett's performances for us have been at least as solid as Mapou or Haidara but he receives a harder ride on here. Anita's probably worse than Colback but Colback gets a rougher ride on performances. It's largely the unproven lads / lads not in the team that get this treatment. And like I said, to a point it's justified. Anita came with a decentish fee from Ajax with a few caps, Colback was a squad player at Sunderland. But someone like Dummett - it's just plain unfair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Thankfully you're here to keep us all in check though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Must be why he spent every waking minute calling Cisse worse than shite for years. Very honorable effort to balance the books. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Not really. Sammy, Dummett and to a lesser extent Colback receive undue criticism. Dummett's performances for us have been at least as solid as Mapou or Haidara but he receives a harder ride on here. Anita's probably worse than Colback but Colback gets a rougher ride on performances. It's largely the unproven lads / lads not in the team that get this treatment. And like I said, to a point it's justified. Anita came with a decentish fee from Ajax with a few caps, Colback was a squad player at Sunderland. But someone like Dummett - it's just plain unfair. But all that means is that people have different opinions on players. Personally I think Haidara is much better than Dummett at LB, it's nothing to do with Dummett being English. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest antz1uk Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Not really. Sammy, Dummett and to a lesser extent Colback receive undue criticism. Dummett's performances for us have been at least as solid as Mapou or Haidara but he receives a harder ride on here. Anita's probably worse than Colback but Colback gets a rougher ride on performances. It's largely the unproven lads / lads not in the team that get this treatment. And like I said, to a point it's justified. Anita came with a decentish fee from Ajax with a few caps, Colback was a squad player at Sunderland. But someone like Dummett - it's just plain unfair. Sammy is at best inconsistent, Dummet was originally slated, due to the fact he's a poorer LB than Haidara and Santon, from what I have witnessed lately on here he has been given less of a rough ride and people shown a lot more patience with him looking more promising as a CH. Colback gets stick cos a/ he's average who runs around looking busy while creating gaps all over the place and b/ he slagged us off with that pathetic gesture photo, which i can understand those being cpompletely pissed off, he had a mountain to climb after that. only the nuggets who hate sunderland more think he was a great buy as it 'got one over them' #MackemLogic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Not really. Sammy, Dummett and to a lesser extent Colback receive undue criticism. Dummett's performances for us have been at least as solid as Mapou or Haidara but he receives a harder ride on here. Anita's probably worse than Colback but Colback gets a rougher ride on performances. It's largely the unproven lads / lads not in the team that get this treatment. And like I said, to a point it's justified. Anita came with a decentish fee from Ajax with a few caps, Colback was a squad player at Sunderland. But someone like Dummett - it's just plain unfair. I just don't see that the evidence for that. I, for example, don't rate Dummett very highly. I personally think Haidara is a far superior LB to Dummett - not because he's French, but just because he's better. But, rightly or wrongly, I'm one of Sammy's staunchest supporters because I can see some potential there and I want him to get a new contract. As far as I can see, it's the same with other people - they rate some players, they don't rate others - absolutely nothing to do with where they are from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I agree Haidara is better. But imagine Dummett played like Haidara did against L'pool - he wouldn't be as easily forgiven as Haidara was. Or even the MYM at Everton. He's never been that bad but receives worse criticism. Had we signed him from abroad - imo he would receive a fairer ride. I've been a member of this board long enough to notice it's a consistent pattern. The actual home crowd is fairer in the sense everyone gets little patience. Thankfully you're here to keep us all in check though. Yep. Must be why he spent every waking minute calling Cisse worse than s**** for years. Very honorable effort to balance the books. Justifiably so. He was shite for 2 years at everything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest antz1uk Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Sammy has had 4 years to realise his potential, he's not going to turn into no Harry Kane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I agree Haidara is better. But imagine Dummett played like Haidara did against L'pool - he wouldn't be as easily forgiven as Haidara was. Or even the MYM at Everton. He's never been that bad but receives worse criticism. Had we signed him from abroad - imo he would receive a fairer ride. I've been a member of this board long enough to notice it's a consistent pattern. The actual home crowd is fairer in the sense everyone gets little patience. Thankfully you're here to keep us all in check though. Yep. Must be why he spent every waking minute calling Cisse worse than s**** for years. Very honorable effort to balance the books. Justifiably so. He was shite for 2 years at everything. He wasn't though. He had like 1 shit season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Dummett is CB and will do well as such - depends on your preference with left backs. Players have to be comfortable on the ball., which Dummett is less able although he's strong defensively. Which is why Williamson is so chronic to watch as he's shite at both. LB/RB are the most difficult roles to define mind you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I do think foreign players in general, not just at NUFC, get a fairer crack of the whip on here, mind. Specifically at NUFC I think it mostly boils down to almost unlimited faith in Graham Carr. And the fact those who haven't succeeded due to being physically not up to English football - such as Anita - attract the football hipsters who ironically tend to go after the likes of Harry Kane and end up with egg on their face. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I do think foreign players in general, not just at NUFC, get a fairer crack of the whip on here, mind. Specifically at NUFC I think it mostly boils down to almost unlimited faith in Graham Carr. And the fact those who haven't succeeded due to being physically not up to English football - such as Anita - attract the football hipsters who ironically tend to go after the likes of Harry Kane and end up with egg on their face. Agreed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I do think foreign players in general, not just at NUFC, get a fairer crack of the whip on here, mind. Specifically at NUFC I think it mostly boils down to almost unlimited faith in Graham Carr. And the fact those who haven't succeeded due to being physically not up to English football - such as Anita - attract the football hipsters who ironically tend to go after the likes of Harry Kane and end up with egg on their face. Disappointed I didn't get a name check there tbh. Part of me still thinks Kane will be a flash in the pan, mainly due to his slowness, although he has probably been the second best all round striker in the league this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I do think foreign players in general, not just at NUFC, get a fairer crack of the whip on here, mind. There is a definite downbeat outlook/attitude towards English or British players not just on here but among many English footy supporters and indeed among the media. I guarantee if Frank Lampard was called Francis Lambardo or something, fans would be hailing him as one of the world's greatest. Instead, when someone says he's as good as or say better than someone like Kaka they get laughed at and called out as idiots. Of course there is a tendency among the media to overrate some players, players like Rooney, Gerrard etc. but then these are the high performing home grown players so its not that surprising. I had to tell someone at footy a few weeks back to shut up after he said Diego Costa is one of the best strikers to have played in the league and easily up there with someone like Shearer. Harry Kane is getting praise, but could you imagine if he was foreign? Remember the hype around Janusi or whatever he's called at Man Utd or Macheda because he scored a wonder goal. Does my head in in particular when the likes of Lampard are considered inferior to say the likes of Kaka or Pirlo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I do think foreign players in general, not just at NUFC, get a fairer crack of the whip on here, mind. Specifically at NUFC I think it mostly boils down to almost unlimited faith in Graham Carr. And the fact those who haven't succeeded due to being physically not up to English football - such as Anita - attract the football hipsters who ironically tend to go after the likes of Harry Kane and end up with egg on their face. Disappointed I didn't get a name check there tbh. Part of me still thinks Kane will be a flash in the pan, mainly due to his slowness, although he has probably been the second best all round striker in the league this season. I'll be fascinated to see how Kane develops. I'm not 100% convinced yet - next couple of years will be interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Kane and Lampard are strange examples like, since the hype around Kane is huge after half a season and everyone thinks Lampard is a living legend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I do think foreign players in general, not just at NUFC, get a fairer crack of the whip on here, mind. Specifically at NUFC I think it mostly boils down to almost unlimited faith in Graham Carr. And the fact those who haven't succeeded due to being physically not up to English football - such as Anita - attract the football hipsters who ironically tend to go after the likes of Harry Kane and end up with egg on their face. Disappointed I didn't get a name check there tbh. Part of me still thinks Kane will be a flash in the pan, mainly due to his slowness, although he has probably been the second best all round striker in the league this season. I'll be fascinated to see how Kane develops. I'm not 100% convinced yet - next couple of years will be interesting. If nothing else he seems to makes up for his flaws by surprisingly, given his demeanor, playing with superb intelligence from what I've seen. That's the sort of stuff that will usually help at the top level and might suggest why he is doing better now than he was on loan at whoever playing with shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I love the "if he was called" argument. There's plenty of examples to the contrary. Fabio Zamblera, Massimo Maccarone, Kleberson, Anderson etc etc, all shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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