Hanshithispantz Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Daft remark like, and I was listening to the interview live and he sounded like a total creep, but why does everyone have to be hounded out of their jobs everytime they cock up? Oh dear[emoji1] What? It happens all the time man. Someone slips up and says a daft remark and they're out, it's mental. The 'cock up' line man[emoji6] ah right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Absolutely ridiculous comparison to make in the circumstances. Makes me think the guy is a bit thick. Isn't he really just saying that perceptions of guilt and innocence aren't always set in stone for eternity. It's an emotive example and poorly chosen I suppose but it is from football... Reactions remind me of the rape stuff Wullie was saying before - "zomg he's saying Evans is the same as the Hillsborough victims, burn him". He's not saying that at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoob Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 It's more him defending a convicted rapist with the argument that the police/courts sometimes get things wrong that I'm guessing most people outside of liverpool have a problem with tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 It's more him defending a convicted rapist with the argument that the police/courts sometimes get things wrong that I'm guessing most people outside of liverpool have a problem with tbf. But why, it's a fact, they do sometimes get it wrong ah but rape yeah so nobody is allowed to speak rationally. They get some wrong and this is a very unique case where a man was convicted entirely without physical evidence or even an eye witness statement against him It's very clear there's scope to think this might have been a duff decision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chicken little Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Just me who's incredibly bored with this story now? He should just go abroad somewhere, doubt it'll be as big of a deal in some shithole in Russia or something like that. not allowed to leave the country marra Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Gordon Taylor in being a cunt,. shocker. The man's a ringpiece. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 The length of sentence isn't a problem, it's this daft law where everyone is eligible for release at half time. Makes a a bit of a farce of the whole idea of sentencing tbh. This. If Evans isn't fit to work and return to society yet, then he should never have been released in the first place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 "I might be upsetting people but there is a question of the rape and how he's been convicted by a jury." "When you look at the evidence, it is there for appeal. "It has divided opinion of course and when you look at the case in detail and, I don't think most people have really, because they have just seen Ched Evans as a convicted rapist, when you do look at the case and look at the evidence then certainly Ched has got a case." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Ched Evans: Steve Bruce backs Evans return to football Hull City boss Steve Bruce has questioned the conviction of rapist Ched Evans and says the footballer should be given a chance to play again. Evans, who was convicted in 2012, was released from prison in October and saw a move to Oldham collapse this week. The 26-year-old has been refused the right to appeal, but the Criminal Cases Review Commission is studying his case. "I might be upsetting people but there is a question of the rape and how he's been convicted by a jury," said Bruce. "When you look at the evidence, it is there for appeal. "It has divided opinion of course and when you look at the case in detail and, I don't think most people have really, because they have just seen Ched Evans as a convicted rapist, when you do look at the case and look at the evidence then certainly Ched has got a case." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geordiesned Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Seemingly after it has been decided that there is no leave to appeal, Ched Evans has referred his case to world renowned Barrister Steve Bruce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 FFS Steve, "no comment" is the answer you were looking for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I'd be willing to wager a fair sum that 'Bruce Issues Apology Over Evans Comments' will be a headline on BBC Sport before the end of the day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 ok why in gods name would you stick your nose in on whether he's entitled to an appeal or not?! Your a football manager not a barrister or judge! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Steve Bruce actually looks like he'd suit a judge's wig. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Aye, just keep well out of the discussion unless you're a pundit or a journo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Gordon Taylor in being a cunt,. shocker. The man's a ringpiece. Absolutely tactless thing to say regardless of how it is interpreted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 This is one of those stories that with the rampant modern social and mainstream media, there will be several different opinions on the issue, but only one will be "acceptable". Anything else will meet rage in the form of ink marking in the papers or keystrokes online. It is too bad Evans cannot just go abroad (though it is fair, aligning with his sentence). His innocence or guilt is not important to me. If clubs want to sign him, then let the man live. If they do not want to sign him, he has made his own bed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I don't know about anyone else, but I was waiting to see where Steve Bruce fell on this issue before making my own mind up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoob Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 It's more him defending a convicted rapist with the argument that the police/courts sometimes get things wrong that I'm guessing most people outside of liverpool have a problem with tbf. But why, it's a fact, they do sometimes get it wrong ah but rape yeah so nobody is allowed to speak rationally. They get some wrong and this is a very unique case where a man was convicted entirely without physical evidence or even an eye witness statement against him It's very clear there's scope to think this might have been a duff decision. I know what you're trying to say and I agree with part of it but it's really not his place to be casting judgement on the criminal justice system, certainly not when talking about a specific case like this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Rod Liddle getting involved http://www.spectator.co.uk/columnists/rod-liddle/9410182/the-utterly-ludicrous-and-petty-campaign-against-ched-evans/ The utterly ludicrous and petty campaign against Ched Evans He has served the required amount of his sentence, and he should be allowed to do the job he chose and is qualified for A new name to help us welcome in the new year: Jean Hatchet. A name which is almost certainly too good to be true for a perpetually infuriated radical feminist — much as, say, Roz Termagant or Betty Hitler would be. It is a pseudonym, apparently. Ms Hatchet — I assume that is the title she would prefer, although Mx is catching on quite quickly — is the woman behind the petitions to prevent the footballer and convicted rapist Ched Evans from earning a living from his trade. The first petition was got up when Evans began training with his former club, Sheffield United — who quickly washed their hands of him as a consequence of the publicity. There was a sort of furore. The actual number of people who felt so angry that Evans should be allowed to work for a living at his chosen profession were very small indeed — Hatchet’s latest petition contains just 30,000 signatures, a mere microdot in today’s world of click-democracy. But the issue had become politicised and the subtext now read: if you are in favour of Ched Evans playing professional football again, then you are in favour of rape. To argue that he has served the required amount of his sentence is also to be in favour of rape, and in favour of rapists and in favour of sexual violence per se. And so this laughable, stupid and fatuous premise has terrified the politicians, who have now, of course, become involved. None of them dare suggest that one of the purposes of prison is to rehabilitate and that the best possible outcome for a former prisoner is that he should go straight into a job (rather than on to benefits). One of the ironies is that the people who have signed these various petitions are more usually lenient on the issue of criminal justice — unless it is a crime to which they particularly object. Burglary, armed robbery, manslaughter, drug dealing etc. — they’re OK. Crimes against women and any racist stuff — nope, no rehabilitation, you’re scum and that’s that. Oh, and homophobia. Scum he may well be. Don’t know the bloke. Once Sheffield United had ditched him, most other league clubs ran a mile. Hartlepool, rooted eight points adrift at the very bottom of the bottom division, showed a vague interest and then swiftly bailed. Then Oldham Athletic fancied taking him on — and they have form when it comes to the rehabilitation of offenders. Oldham employed another striker, Lee Hughes, when he had been released from prison for killing someone as a consequence of dangerous driving — there was, of course, no petition designed to prevent them. Nor have there been petitions against the multitude of other ex-offenders plying their trade in the football league. Just Ched Evans. As the Spectator columnist Melissa Kite put it, this is mob rule. The arguments against Evans playing football again are so vacuous as to be beyond parody; it is a froth of fashionable PC outrage, and odious in its implications. First, it is alleged that in playing football, rather than being a plumber or a taxidermist, Evans is in a position of ‘influence’. Really? Playing football for a third-rate team in front of 5,000 supporters? The objectors insist that he can carry on playing football — just not for a team anyone has heard of, which is sort of mad. They also say he can get a job — but not the one he wants to do and is qualified to do. Is it possible to be more utterly ludicrous and petty? Next, they insist that he did not serve his full sentence and is therefore on licence, rather than properly at liberty. Well yes, but that applies to almost everyone released from prison. Are we to say that none of them should work? Or work only where Jean Hatchet and a bunch of moronic columnists decide is suitable? Where do you think he should clock in, Jean and friends? Why not drop him a line and explain what work you think is suitable for someone who has recently come out of prison. And then do the same thing to the other few hundred thousand people in a similar situation: you decide where they can work and how much they can earn. Then there is the allegation that he has shown no remorse; he has not said sorry to his victim. I am not aware of this stipulation being raised in any other case. The reason he has not apologised is that he does not think that he is guilty, and his lawyers have lodged an appeal with the Criminal Cases Review Commission, so he would be ill advised to say sorry. There are grave doubts about his conviction — but even if there were not, the point and the principle remain. He has served his sentence for a serious crime. In a civilised country you would expect people to be delighted that he was now about to be offered full-time, remunerative work. One air-headed columnist suggested that even though he had served his sentence, the woman he raped would have to live with his crime her entire life and, therefore, so should he. Ergo, he should not be allowed to play professional football. But what of the victims of muggers, killers, robbers, burglars? Do they not continue to suffer? Should we stop all criminals working on account of the legacy of misery and trauma they have left behind? I can see a case for saying ‘Yes we should!’ I don’t agree with it, but I can see the case. But I can’t see the case for saying: no, only Ched Evans. Just him. The truth is that his case is the perfect example of the moronic inferno, the howl round of witlessness and politically motivated confected outrage. This article first appeared in the print edition of The Spectator magazine, dated 10 January 2015 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Off topic but do any of the Irish posters here remember Eamonn Dunphy's outburst against Rod Liddle during Saipan? Dunphy: Do you know who wrote that article Bill? Bill: No I don't Eamonn Dunphy: I'll tell ya who wrote it Bill, Rod Liddle, he's the fella who ran away and left his wife for a young one Live on RTE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelphish Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Bruce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Oldham have received death threats - SSN. Can't imagine anyone going for him - just not worth the hassle. The fuck? So murder is now seen as morally more acceptable than rape. In the common consciousness I think that actually is the case tbh. Definitely. I think it all depends on context, personally. This case is really not comparable to (or worse than) murder. Absolutely, I wasn't commenting on this case particularly but culturally, rape is now the ultimate crime. Murder is the stuff of gentle ITV Sunday afternoon drama whilst even post-watershed rape scenes attract huge numbers of complaints. A football pundit can freely use "murdered" to describe a game but if he uses "raped", he's finished. There's also this idea in the public consciousness and the media that rape is rape and that no rape is less serious than any other. That idea is so stupid I can barely comprehend it but that's why Evans is such a pariah. A few public figures who've attempted to disagree with that idea recently have either been forced to apologise or gotten threats. It's fucking weird like. I don't even know who these people are that abhor rape but will quite happily threaten rape on someone that says something they don't like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Oldham have received death threats - SSN. Can't imagine anyone going for him - just not worth the hassle. The fuck? So murder is now seen as morally more acceptable than rape. In the common consciousness I think that actually is the case tbh. Definitely. I think it all depends on context, personally. This case is really not comparable to (or worse than) murder. Absolutely, I wasn't commenting on this case particularly but culturally, rape is now the ultimate crime. Murder is the stuff of gentle ITV Sunday afternoon drama whilst even post-watershed rape scenes attract huge numbers of complaints. A football pundit can freely use "murdered" to describe a game but if he uses "raped", he's finished. There's also this idea in the public consciousness and the media that rape is rape and that no rape is less serious than any other. That idea is so stupid I can barely comprehend it but that's why Evans is such a pariah. A few public figures who've attempted to disagree with that idea recently have either been forced to apologise or gotten threats. It's fucking weird like. I don't even know who these people are that abhor rape but will quite happily threaten rape on someone that says something they don't like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoob Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Off topic but do any of the Irish posters here remember Eamonn Dunphy's outburst against Rod Liddle during Saipan? Dunphy: Do you know who wrote that article Bill? Bill: No I don't Eamonn Dunphy: I'll tell ya who wrote it Bill, Rod Liddle, he's the fella who ran away and left his wife for a young one Live on RTE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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