Guest firetotheworks Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Since when did 'Cockney' become a derogatory term anyway? When it was preceded by "fat" and followed by "bastard". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemagpie Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Since when did 'Cockney' become a derogatory term anyway? It's derogatory when sandwiched between with 'fat' and 'b******'. Aye but at least one of those two things is true. Not sure if he's medically fat like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 The cockney chant is brainless as fuck, total hypocrisy defending that then being annoyed by perceived bias of southerners against us. What does Ashley's birthplace have to do with anything? It's so fucking annoying. Especially when "You fat fucking bastard" even sounds meaner than fucking "cockney". Fuck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Since when did 'Cockney' become a derogatory term anyway? Since you put it before "bastard", same way as lots of other stuff? "e.g. "black" or "white" aren't derogatory terms on their own. "There's a black man standing in the hallway." vs "There's a fat black bastard standing in the hallway." I don't even know why this needs to be explained. Fucking exactly! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Since when did 'Cockney' become a derogatory term anyway? Since time began, up their with Scouser and Mackem for me like..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 He probably planned to play a strong team until he got a phone call from Mike. Aye, I'd say Mike came off the beach in Barbados specifically to tell Carver to play a s*** team I've heard they have mobile phones in Barbados. You actually think Ashley told Carver to play a s*** team? That's ridiculous IMO Well something changed after he told us he would play his strongest team. What do you think happened? I think Carver is a lying cunt. Maybe Ashley told him not to play Sissoko as he might be leaving but what is in it for Ashley to lose in the cup? Also, hasn't it been said that Carr is compiling a list of managers for when Ashley is back. If Ashley can't be bothered to find a new manager while on holiday he isn't going to be bothered about some 3rd round FA cup game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Since when did 'Cockney' become a derogatory term anyway? It's derogatory when sandwiched between with 'fat' and 'b******'. Aye but at least one of those two things is true. Not sure if he's medically fat like. Medically fat. MEDICALLY. Aye, and black people are black, that's a fact. As Hans pointed out though it's a different context if it's sandwiched between 'fat' and 'bastard' though, isn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 In Shakesperes plays, a Cockney was referred to a mummy`s boy,an effeminate man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I hate the chant but to be fair what he has done to the club I can understand why people hate him so much. If some bloke stole my lass I would not call him a nasty man..its the same he has stole my club. But again I don't agree with the chant Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Since when did 'Cockney' become a derogatory term anyway? Since you put it before "bastard", same way as lots of other stuff? "e.g. "black" or "white" aren't derogatory terms on their own. "There's a black man standing in the hallway." vs "There's a fat black bastard standing in the hallway." I don't even know why this needs to be explained. So funny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Carver showing he is a poor coach who is not afraid to annoy the fans with a weak team selection - he's Mike's new puppy dog And why would Ashley tell Carver to pick a poor team? It's his money and let's say with a quarter final spot in the FA Cup and prize money he could pay a few weeks wages for players with that! They think progress in the cup negatively impacts on league placing,which is where the big money is. They've actually admitted this, read up on some of the past fan forum minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemagpie Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Since when did 'Cockney' become a derogatory term anyway? Since time began, up their with Scouser and Mackem for me like..... Mackem is derogatory but is lapped up by the media now. Arseholes need a history lesson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 He's gonna die He's gonna die Mike Ashleys gonna die How we kill him I don't know ? Cut him up from head to toe All I know is Ashley's gonna die Should sing this to cut out any shit cockney debate Man U song but fuck it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Mongish pundits like Merson will hear that chant, and claim it represents the views of the entire NUFC fan base. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 "You person from London, we do not like you." Proper venomous that like. Him being from London has got NOTHING to do with it. I dunno how many times it has to brought up with you in particular, you just don't get it like. I do get it. Completely. It just doesn't f***ing matter like you seem to think it does. It matters from a public perception perspective. We'll always be seen as being unjustly harsh on people just because they're from Larndarn. It's not the end of the world, it's just another stick to beat us with, and another way for everyone to bang on about how unrealistic we are. I don't really give a s*** if Londoners think we hate London. We know we don't. Anyone with any sense knows we don't. If they think we do well tough s*** - more fool them for making a stereotype. Well you should give a s***, it puts us in a bad light and gives everyone another stick to beat us with. Just because other fans sing it to opposition players doesn't make it fine, we're doing it to our own owner as if 'cockney' is a derogatory term, if you think that's fine then that's fair enough, but you're a bit naive if you think that other people outside of the club don't believe the same (including players and managers and staff that we might want as some point) Why should I give a s*** if Southerners think that I, as a Geordie, hate them all on the basis of one song against one Southern c***? Even if they do make that assumption - more fool them. Their narrow-mindedness will be far worse than mine for singing that about one person. Quite frankly even if people don't like it when I'm abusive about one of their "own" then that's tough s***. I wouldn't be abusive if he wasn't a c***. Which he clearly is. If the shoe was on the other foot I'd totally expect Southerners to call their owner a Geordie cunt, and I wouldn't think they hated all of us for that reason. You should give a shit because for the last 4 years we've had a manager that was excused by the media, fans, pundits and possibly our own owner from being totally shit because they assumed we didn't like him for being Southern. Saw this in The Mag the other day from one of our own fans (and a regular writer for them). http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-articles/ayoze-perez-part-reason-alan-pardew-leaving/ Aside from not signing anything for the public to see yet, Alan Pardew is no longer at Newcastle United. I was prepared to give him a chance when he first came, whereas many ‘fans’ disliked him for numerous reasons: being a cockney; being a cockney; and mainly, for being a cockney. It's absolutely disgusting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 In Shakesperes plays, a Cockney was referred to a mummy`s boy,an effeminate man. It's 2015, not 1602. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 "You person from London, we do not like you." Proper venomous that like. Him being from London has got NOTHING to do with it. I dunno how many times it has to brought up with you in particular, you just don't get it like. I do get it. Completely. It just doesn't f***ing matter like you seem to think it does. It matters from a public perception perspective. We'll always be seen as being unjustly harsh on people just because they're from Larndarn. It's not the end of the world, it's just another stick to beat us with, and another way for everyone to bang on about how unrealistic we are. I don't really give a s*** if Londoners think we hate London. We know we don't. Anyone with any sense knows we don't. If they think we do well tough s*** - more fool them for making a stereotype. Well you should give a s***, it puts us in a bad light and gives everyone another stick to beat us with. Just because other fans sing it to opposition players doesn't make it fine, we're doing it to our own owner as if 'cockney' is a derogatory term, if you think that's fine then that's fair enough, but you're a bit naive if you think that other people outside of the club don't believe the same (including players and managers and staff that we might want as some point) Why should I give a s*** if Southerners think that I, as a Geordie, hate them all on the basis of one song against one Southern c***? Even if they do make that assumption - more fool them. Their narrow-mindedness will be far worse than mine for singing that about one person. Quite frankly even if people don't like it when I'm abusive about one of their "own" then that's tough s***. I wouldn't be abusive if he wasn't a c***. Which he clearly is. If the shoe was on the other foot I'd totally expect Southerners to call their owner a Geordie cunt, and I wouldn't think they hated all of us for that reason. You should give a shit because for the last 4 years we've had a manager that was excused by the media, fans, pundits and possibly our own owner from being totally shit because they assumed we didn't like him for being Southern. Saw this in The Mag the other day from one of our own fans (and a regular writer for them). http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-articles/ayoze-perez-part-reason-alan-pardew-leaving/ Aside from not signing anything for the public to see yet, Alan Pardew is no longer at Newcastle United. I was prepared to give him a chance when he first came, whereas many ‘fans’ disliked him for numerous reasons: being a cockney; being a cockney; and mainly, for being a cockney. It's absolutely disgusting. Fuck aye I saw that. What the fuck are The Mag doing letting utter shite like that get to print? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 In Shakesperes plays, a Cockney was referred to a mummy`s boy,an effeminate man. It's 2014, not 1602. Stop ignoring history man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 In Shakesperes plays, a Cockney was referred to a mummy`s boy,an effeminate man. It's 2014, not 1602. http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/666/_57c8a1a431a592af806925e57258202f.png Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Some of the posts on here are mad, like. Some people just haven't been paying attention. I've just read someone questioning why Ashley would want us to not be in the cups... Honestly, have these people been living under rocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 In Shakesperes plays, a Cockney was referred to a mummy`s boy,an effeminate man. It's 2014, not 1602. Our football does represent a tragedy though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Since when did 'Cockney' become a derogatory term anyway? Since time began, up their with Scouser and Mackem for me like..... Mackem is derogatory but is lapped up by the media now. Arseholes need a history lesson. See this is the thing, it's actually you that needs to realise that history means nothing and it's always about the current context. Mackems have taken the name and used it in a positive way, therefore that is the context that it's used in, just in the way that saying 'Paki' is in absolutely no way excusable because it's 'an abbreviation' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I told you Newcastle should be careful what they wished for, without Pardew they can't even beat Leicester in the cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 He's gonna die He's gonna die Mike Ashleys gonna die How we kill him I don't know ? Cut him up from head to toe All I know is Ashley's gonna die Should sing this to cut out any s*** cockney debate Man U song but f*** it Aye, a murder chant. Class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 In Shakesperes plays, a Cockney was referred to a mummy`s boy,an effeminate man. It's 2014, not 1602. 2015 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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