Rémi Garde and the case of the missing art galleries

[Memphis]

Very reasonable post Memphis, just can't help the fear.

 

I feel like a child laying in bed in the dark, trying to repeat to myself that there's no way there are monsters under the bed, all the while being unable to sleep.

[steve_69]

well I was very hopeful/optimistic about the new 'head coach' but have suddenly come back down to earth with a bang, It's my feeling we have all been well and truly duped, even ourselves, the most sceptical of this bunch of c***s. I think the bishop has been working overtime dropping these names out there to keep people quiet and sitting patiently on the back burner, we all know what these international breaks mean to NUFC, we will get no one in, nor do i think we have been looking, I think garde has been used as a cunning decoy (totally unawares himself) just playing fo time to make it look like we were going to appoint someone decent, when in fact either carver or some other moron is going to get the job, just in time for there to be no players brought in, one sold and a donkey of a coach appointed

 

The only positive element i keep clinging to in this whole situation is the fact that Charnley and Carr seem to have been put in charge of the recruitment process. Carr is far too well-conected and informed to recommend Carver as manager and I doubt Charnely will be keen on that angle either.

If you were Carr would you really want a knacker like Carver in charge of the quality players you consistently bring to the club? If you were Charnely wouldn't you want to justify your surprise appointment as MD by nailing your first managerial appointment?

 

The only possible scenarios I can see that would lead to Carver being named manager are a) if Mike Ashley decides to go against the recommendations of Carr and Charnley and appoints Carver himself, b) they decide to leave Carver in charge until the summer when we will have a bigger pool of options to choose from or c) the whole Carr/Charnley thing is a facade and Mike is going to pick a name out of the has-been hat again.

 

Given how the relegation season panned out, I doubt Ashley would risk any of the above.

[cosmic]

Didn't Pardew come in without his own team except for Woodman? And Pulis also work with existing or new team at Palace and now WBA? Not that these are the best examples ...

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Didn't Pardew come in without his own team except for Woodman? And Pulis also work with existing or new team at Palace and now WBA? Not that these are the best examples ...

 

 

Think we're all just hoping for a more professional setup this time around. If they employ someone like Garde I can't imagine they would come in and want to work with Carver and Stone et al.

[Big Geordie]

Carver's gonna get the gig, fellas. That's what I believe now. Possibly until the summer when Ashley will hopefully try to sell up.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Carver's gonna get the gig, fellas. That's what I believe now. Possibly until the summer when Ashley will hopefully try to sell up.

 

Any reason they haven't given it to him already though?

[Dave]

Very reasonable post Memphis, just can't help the fear.

After Southampton it's basically the rest of the transfer window gone before we play again. So if they're looking to avoid signing anyone, it definitely pays to delay any appointment.

 

I know people say the new manager won't have any say on transfers but that isn't true IMO. They'll still have some input, even if it's not the infamous final say.

 

[Guest Roger Kint]

Carver's gonna get the gig, fellas. That's what I believe now. Possibly until the summer when Ashley will hopefully try to sell up.

 

You might as well say Carver is getting it next season too then. Unless you expect a buyer to magically appear all of a sudden

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Ah, I think it's frustrating to have nothing confirmed as yet but I do think if it was going to be Carver it would have been announced by now.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Very reasonable post Memphis, just can't help the fear.

 

After Southampton it's basically the rest of the transfer window gone before we play again. So if they're looking to avoid signing anyone, it definitely pays to delay any appointment.

 

I know people say the new manager won't have any say on transfers but that isn't true IMO. They'll still have some input, even if it's not the infamous final say.

 

 

I definitely think the break is significant, whether for that reason or just because it gives them longer to get things arranged.

[Guest Roger Kint]

Very reasonable post Memphis, just can't help the fear.

After Southampton it's basically the rest of the transfer window gone before we play again. So if they're looking to avoid signing anyone, it definitely pays to delay any appointment.

 

I know people say the new manager won't have any say on transfers but that isn't true IMO. They'll still have some input, even if it's not the infamous final say.

 

 

Think its more the fact the two people charged with any signings would be too busy with appointing him than the manager having any real say tbh

[Parky]

Carver's gonna get the gig, fellas. That's what I believe now. Possibly until the summer when Ashley will hopefully try to sell up.

 

Any reason they haven't given it to him already though?

 

Think they are doing a cursory, bare minimum, sort of pantomime level shufty. Deep in their clueless hearts they want to give it to Carver and will do when the window is shut. Can't get myself to believe there is any cogent level of professionalism in this process. I mean Garde has practically thrown himself at the club and still no movement.

[Lotus]

Very reasonable post Memphis, just can't help the fear.

After Southampton it's basically the rest of the transfer window gone before we play again. So if they're looking to avoid signing anyone, it definitely pays to delay any appointment.

 

I know people say the new manager won't have any say on transfers but that isn't true IMO. They'll still have some input, even if it's not the infamous final say.

 

 

Think its more the fact the two people charged with any signings would be too busy with appointing him than the manager having any real say tbh

 

Really?

 

They can't do more than 1 thing at a time?

[Guest Roger Kint]

Very reasonable post Memphis, just can't help the fear.

After Southampton it's basically the rest of the transfer window gone before we play again. So if they're looking to avoid signing anyone, it definitely pays to delay any appointment.

 

I know people say the new manager won't have any say on transfers but that isn't true IMO. They'll still have some input, even if it's not the infamous final say.

 

 

Think its more the fact the two people charged with any signings would be too busy with appointing him than the manager having any real say tbh

 

Really?

 

They can't do more than 1 thing at a time?

 

They cant even do one thing man never mind multitask

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Carver's gonna get the gig, fellas. That's what I believe now. Possibly until the summer when Ashley will hopefully try to sell up.

 

Any reason they haven't given it to him already though?

 

Think they are doing a cursory, bare minimum, sort of pantomime level shufty. Deep in their clueless hearts they want to give it to Carver and will do when the window is shut. Can't get myself to believe there is any cogent level of professionalism in this process. I mean Garde has practically thrown himself at the club and still no movement.

 

Well obviously I hope you're wrong but with NUFC it's obviously possible.

[Guest Roger Kint]

Carver's gonna get the gig, fellas. That's what I believe now. Possibly until the summer when Ashley will hopefully try to sell up.

 

Any reason they haven't given it to him already though?

 

Think they are doing a cursory, bare minimum, sort of pantomime level shufty. Deep in their clueless hearts they want to give it to Carver and will do when the window is shut. Can't get myself to believe there is any cogent level of professionalism in this process. I mean Garde has practically thrown himself at the club and still no movement.

 

Well obviously I hope you're wrong but with NUFC it's obviously possible.

 

I cant believe that Carr & Charnley are sitting there thinking they want Carver and they are doing this for posturing mind. Yes Ashley would obviously but i cant see why they would waste their own time interviewing people for nowt

[Big Geordie]

I think Ashley is further trying to strangle the club and any delay in appointing Carver gets the transfer window out of the way. In the mean time, Sissoko will be sold and possibly Cisse too.

[Guest Gino14]

The longer this drags on the more convinced I am we're either going to appoint Carver full time, or at least till the end of the season because they've failed. We won't have anyone ready to come in for the summer either.

 

As time drags on it just doesn't look like we've spotted someone we want and gone out to get them. There's been about five or six clubs change manager in England since Pardew left. They've gone out identified a man they want, sorted terms and got him in, recognising the importance of having a good manager at the helm. We've dragged our feet and messed around to the point of idiocy if there's candidates we actually want. West Brom were doing interviews days after they sacked Irvine. We're still not in formal talks weeks later.

 

The way we're run in terms of finding the right man for the most important job at the club is a joke. I'll be happy to be massively wrong if Garde comes in. It's what a desperately want, just a good coach who has an actual clue. I just doubt it'll happen more and more as time drags on. If we don't appoint someone by early next week I'd say the jig is up and the delay will mean Carver for some length of time.

[Guest antz1uk]

playing us for fools yet again 

[SUPERTOON]

Wasn't it widely reported in throughout the media last week that Carver was almost certainly in charge for Chelsea and Southampton and any likely appointment would be during two week break?

 

If so the lack of news is hardly surprising.

[steve_69]

Carr's remit is to bring in players with big profit potential and knowing Ashley's way of working he will have heavy incentives to reward him for the degree to which he does this.

One of the apparent frustrations with Pardew was his reluctance to use the players given to him, which is completely understandable given our business model.

The club will want to appoint a coach who will bring the best out of and develop the players brought in by the scouting team in order to inflate their values. That man is not John Carver.

 

I cannot see Carr pushing for Carver in any scenario.  He will be pushing for a continental coach who suits the style of the players he brings to the club. A shit manager will only devalue the job he is doing here.

Charnley is a bit of an unknown at the moment but given his lack of experience I can see him leaning on Carr's experience and knowledge of the game.

 

The wait is frustrating and we may yet end up with Carver as an interim head coach but I'm still confident we'll make a decent managerial appointment this time around.

[Wallace]

The longer this drags on the more convinced I am we're either going to appoint Carver full time, or at least till the end of the season because they've failed. We won't have anyone ready to come in for the summer either.

 

As time drags on it just doesn't look like we've spotted someone we want and gone out to get them. There's been about five or six clubs change manager in England since Pardew left. They've gone out identified a man they want, sorted terms and got him in, recognising the importance of having a good manager at the helm. We've dragged our feet and messed around to the point of idiocy if there's candidates we actually want. West Brom were doing interviews days after they sacked Irvine. We're still not in formal talks weeks later.

 

The way we're run in terms of finding the right man for the most important job at the club is a joke. I'll be happy to be massively wrong if Garde comes in. It's what a desperately want, just a good coach who has an actual clue. I just doubt it'll happen more and more as time drags on. If we don't appoint someone by early next week I'd say the jig is up and the delay will mean Carver for some length of time.

 

Although often when a manager leaves a club mid season, it is because they have been sacked which means the club have probably been thinking about alternatives for a while.

 

 

 

 

[Mole_Toonfan]

Very reasonable post Memphis, just can't help the fear.

After Southampton it's basically the rest of the transfer window gone before we play again. So if they're looking to avoid signing anyone, it definitely pays to delay any appointment.

 

I know people say the new manager won't have any say on transfers but that isn't true IMO. They'll still have some input, even if it's not the infamous final say.

 

Aye they'll definitely have some input, the new manager and Carr would probably discuss the positions needed to strengthen. Then Carr would probably scout a list of players.

 

Then the board will have a final say, it probably won't be any different to it was under Pardew except hopefully the coaching will be far better.

[Wallace]

Didn't Pardew come in without his own team except for Woodman? And Pulis also work with existing or new team at Palace and now WBA? Not that these are the best examples ...

 

 

Pardew brought Woodman with him and then appointed Carver.  Stone was promoted from the reserves.

[Guest Gino14]

The longer this drags on the more convinced I am we're either going to appoint Carver full time, or at least till the end of the season because they've failed. We won't have anyone ready to come in for the summer either.

 

As time drags on it just doesn't look like we've spotted someone we want and gone out to get them. There's been about five or six clubs change manager in England since Pardew left. They've gone out identified a man they want, sorted terms and got him in, recognising the importance of having a good manager at the helm. We've dragged our feet and messed around to the point of idiocy if there's candidates we actually want. West Brom were doing interviews days after they sacked Irvine. We're still not in formal talks weeks later.

 

The way we're run in terms of finding the right man for the most important job at the club is a joke. I'll be happy to be massively wrong if Garde comes in. It's what a desperately want, just a good coach who has an actual clue. I just doubt it'll happen more and more as time drags on. If we don't appoint someone by early next week I'd say the jig is up and the delay will mean Carver for some length of time.

 

Although often when a manager leaves a club mid season, it is because they have been sacked which means the club have probably been thinking about alternatives for a while.

 

If that's the case it would say a lot about the safety of Pardew in his job. We should have identified targets when Pardew looked a game away from the sack. They literally never ever would have sacked him. Sickening really.