AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Whether he wants us to get better or not is kind of irrelevant, if he's not willing or able to do what it takes to make it happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Whether he wants us to get better or not is kind of irrelevant, if he's not willing or able to do what it takes to make it happen. He wants us to be better than not in the premier league and however minimal I suppose AshleyOut would see it as leverage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Strange behaviour to come on here the day after relegation playing devil's advocate in Ashley's favour for the hell of it like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 I think for people who are determined to support Newcastle no matter what, the whole point is it doesn't matter what the product is like. There will always be a hardcore who will go no matter what. Leeds for instance have been mismanaged on a criminally epic scale for 15 years now by a series of shithouses who actually make Ashley look mildly competent but still had over 25,000 at their last home game. After a while it actually becomes a badge of honour that you're still turning up to watch complete shit week after week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 I think for people who are determined to support Newcastle no matter what, the whole point is it doesn't matter what the product is like. There will always be a hardcore who will go no matter what. Leeds for instance have been mismanaged on a criminally epic scale for 15 years now by a series of shithouses who actually make Ashley look mildly competent but still had over 25,000 at their last home game. After a while it actually becomes a badge of honour that you're still turning up to watch complete shit week after week. At the same time they're the best supported away club in that league by a mile because people who still want to go and watch their club don't want to put money in their owners pockets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 I don't have a problem with anyone who feels that it's their duty to support the team, and I have some sympathy for the idea that some will feel that Ashley's presence won't force them out. It's our club, not his. What I do have a massive problem with is those that are actively against protest, including those who stand and argue against it and refuse to contribute to even the smallest attempt to fight back. I simply cannot understand that lot. They're the ones that are getting what they deserve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 I don't have a problem with anyone who feels that it's their duty to support the team, and I have some sympathy for the idea that some will feel that Ashley's presence won't force them out. It's our club, not his. What I do have a massive problem with is those that are actively against protest, including those who stand and argue against it and refuse to contribute to even the smallest attempt to fight back. I simply cannot understand that lot. They're the ones that are getting what they deserve. This Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 I don't have a problem with anyone who feels that it's their duty to support the team, and I have some sympathy for the idea that some will feel that Ashley's presence won't force them out. It's our club, not his. What I do have a massive problem with is those that are actively against protest, including those who stand and argue against it and refuse to contribute to even the smallest attempt to fight back. I simply cannot understand that lot. They're the ones that are getting what they deserve. Well put. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-more Mag Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 If you buy a football club, you've got to know that you're buying an asset that isn't really "yours"--not in the same way most other assets are. People are emotionally invested in it in ways they aren't to most other business enterprises. As an owner you've got to realize that those people are stakeholders, and if you're smart you realize that you owe some level of duty to treat them with respect. Even if you don't share the same enthusiasm for the club, those people are still your customers after all. Ashley treats the fans--his customers--with nothing but sheer contempt, at least to the extent he even acknowledges them as anything at all other than a line on his accounts. In my opinion we owe the club and ourselves the duty to let Ashley know, in no uncertain terms, that treating the club and the supporters with contempt is not fucking acceptable and that it's our club as much as it is his. If people still go to games and put money in his pocket, but vociferously protest, I've got no real issue with that, because they're off-setting the money they're putting in with their protesting. People that are willing to just sit back and get fucked by him, though . . I suppose they're getting the fucking they want. Edit: Or, more succinctly, what Dave said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 I think for people who are determined to support Newcastle no matter what, the whole point is it doesn't matter what the product is like. It depends, they can be split as well and the people who boycotted in the late 80's still fall into the 'support no matter what' group, they just had the motivation to do something about the status quo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggs Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 The slightest glimmer of hope we have of Rafa staying (lets be honest he is gone) is a huge outpouring of chanting for him to stay but will be mighty difficult on sunday under these circumstances and tbh AshleyOut.com probably realize this too as he is simply the only hope we have now of keeping any semblance of pride for next season ,tbh clutching at straws here as we all know Rafa is the only thing to cling to atm . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Did the Spirit of Shankly put Rafa off Liverpool? Think it's quite insulting to the bloke to think that fan unrest would put him off. He's not stupid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 He knows if he can make it work here; he'll be a God. He's got nothing to lose. He'll also get his name chanted plenty. There's 90 minutes to fill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Just saying, nothing and nobody will shift the gigantic leech that is Mike Ashley unless it has a ridiculous amount of money on offer. No point in making matters worse by hampering any attempt to get back to the Premiership, the longer we're out of it the harder it'll be to get back. Is this the same logic as not sacking pardew because no one better would come and manage us? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 He knows if he can make it work here; he'll be a God. He's got nothing to lose. He'll also get his name chanted plenty. There's 90 minutes to fill. Without sounding like a broken record, I don't know why you'd bother. Protests outside the ground maybe. Inside the ground should be dedicated to Rafa in my opinion. What would a poisonous atmosphere inside the ground achieve exactly? (apart from being a good opportunity to vent) Well as far as know, theres not been a peep of this group planning one or otherwise. Like's been suggested, he knows the weight of sentiment is on his side already and his name will be sung. If he gets full control he'll stay. They won't give it to him and he'll go. He can see the poison around this place if he opens a paper or has an iphone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlito Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 He knows if he can make it work here; he'll be a God. He's got nothing to lose. He'll also get his name chanted plenty. There's 90 minutes to fill. Without sounding like a broken record, I don't know why you'd bother. Protests outside the ground maybe. Inside the ground should be dedicated to Rafa in my opinion. What would a poisonous atmosphere inside the ground achieve exactly? (apart from being a good opportunity to vent) Hypothetically if Rafa has decided he's off anyway we'd have nothing to lose, especially if the likes of Ashley and Charnley are at the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DahnSahf Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 I'm convinced our best chance of getting 'shot' of the Burnham Bunter lies with someone who's been a victim of his business dealings. I wish he'd fuck over MS13 or a gang of Albanian sex traffickers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 http://ashleyout.com/articles/sports-neglect/ Just seen this has been posted up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 I'm convinced our best chance of getting 'shot' of the Burnham Bunter lies with someone who's been a victim of his business dealings. I wish he'd fuck over MS13 or a gang of Albanian sex traffickers. Albanians are very very dangerous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-more Mag Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 I'm convinced our best chance of getting 'shot' of the Burnham Bunter lies with someone who's been a victim of his business dealings. I wish he'd fuck over MS13 or a gang of Albanian sex traffickers. Albanians are very very dangerous. True. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-more Mag Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 So just keep putting money in his pockets? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-more Mag Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 The Benitez factor is a bit of a wildcard. If Ashley gives Benitez what he needs then that would put Ashley in the territory of making a good decision, which is something he hasn't done with us before. But I'd still have absolutely no confidence in Ashley and would be waiting for the other shoe to drop. He's fucked stuff up time and time again and that won't change (by my reckoning, anyway). I'd get no enjoyment out of rewarding his incompetence by going to games. Of course I live half a world away, so it's pretty easy for me to have that opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 "Buy low sell high is his ethos" :lol: he's a fucking GENIUS. we've been wrong all along. So simple yet so brilliant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 "Buy low sell high is his ethos" :lol: he's a f***ing GENIUS. we've been wrong all along. So simple yet so brilliant. Presumably this will mean all our players will be staying, since now is probably not when their stock is highest? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 The Benitez factor is a bit of a wildcard. If Ashley gives Benitez what he needs then that would put Ashley in the territory of making a good decision, which is something he hasn't done with us before. But I'd still have absolutely no confidence in Ashley and would be waiting for the other shoe to drop. He's fucked stuff up time and time again and that won't change (by my reckoning, anyway). I'd get no enjoyment out of rewarding his incompetence by going to games. Of course I live half a world away, so it's pretty easy for me to have that opinion. I think If Benitez gets the right structure and stays, we surely have to draw a line under it , and give the club a fresh start. Just forget Ashley get behind the Benitez project and give support,,, but that's IF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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