FIFA World Cup

[ponsaelius]

Even the teams getting through with 6 points early added to the chaos, as their reserves were shafted (France, Portugal and Brazil) which allowed outsiders either through or back in with a shout.

 

 

Edited December 2, 2022 by ponsaelius

[dorty]

Germany, Belgium, and Uruguay out. Meanwhile, Brazil, Spain, Argentina, and France have all lost a game. It makes our two wins and a draw look wonderful.

[Disco]

Started slow but the groups have been as good as I can remember.  

[samptime29]

Best goal difference for England and joint top points. 

[gazza ladra]

2 hours ago, oldtype said:

 

12 best teams by FIFA Ranking not to make it this year are: Italy, Colombia, Peru, Sweden, Ukraine, Chile, Tunisia, Nigeria, Russia, Austria, Czech Republic, Hungary. None of those would be particularly out of place. Got a whole bunch of decent-ish teams after that too. Europe, South America, and Africa definitely could all use multiple additional slots.

 

Oman would never make it man  Would have been UAE if you had an extra slot for Asia this year. They are pretty shit, but it's fine. 

Well, yeah except I think Tunisia qualified.

 

I always miss Nigeria and Colombia when they miss out.

 

 

[Ronaldo]

This week’s football has been absolutely brilliant to be fair. Suarez out and Schar through today the icing on the cake.

[ponsaelius]

There's no doubt as the tournament expanded from 16 to 24 and then 32 teams it was justified. Not only did you have Balkanisation of Eastern Europe which created a much deeper European pool of quality teams but the growth and professionalization of the sport elsewhere also drastically improved the depth of quality. An example I always note is how Turkey went from a side that lost to England 8-0 on two separate occasions in the late 80s to making the semi final of a World Cup in 2002. 

 

However I really don't like the idea of now jumping straight from 32 to 48 teams. 16 extra teams is a huge leap and will IMO significantly dilute the overall quality - before you even talk about the issues with the format. Even acknowledging the depth of global football small-medium sized countries will always have peaks and troughs in generations (e.g. where are Bulgaria and Romania these days?). That is what qualifying is there for - to cut out sides that don't quite have it at that point in time.

Japan/Korea hosting the thing was obviously great for development of the sport in that region. However the real steps had already begun long before the World Cup with the development of the club game in the 90s - particularly in Japan. It's a balance obviously and you don't want a closed shop mentality that blights other sports but equally developing countries should have to work towards the world stage - not be handed it on a plate. I really am not sure what the likes of Vietnam, Oman, UAE would add to a World Cup at this point.

 

 

Edited December 2, 2022 by ponsaelius

[huss9]

if it increases in size i'd rather it go to 40 teams - 8 groups of 5 rather than 4.

groups of 3 teams each is ridiculous.

[cubaricho]

Agree with a lot of that. And also just to double down on hosts being able to grow the game in their own countries, ‘94 was the launch of MLS here in America and look where the American game has gone since then. 30ish years later and we have the single best generation of talent we’ve ever had and they’re young. 

[cubaricho]

3 minutes ago, huss9 said:

if it increases in size i'd rather it go to 40 teams - 8 groups of 5 rather than 4.

groups of 3 teams each is ridiculous.

If it expands (which I don’t agree with in principle) it needs to expand to a number where we keep four teams in the group stages. This week has been one of the most thrilling weeks of football I’ve ever watched. And we’re literally just throwing it away next WC already. Madness. 

[Vinny Green Balls]

40 minutes ago, ponsaelius said:

There's no doubt as the tournament expanded from 16 to 24 and then 32 teams it was justified. Not only did you have Balkanisation of Eastern Europe which created a much deeper European pool of quality teams but the growth and professionalization of the sport elsewhere also drastically improved the depth of quality. An example I always note is how Turkey went from a side that lost to England 8-0 on two separate occasions in the late 80s to making the semi final of a World Cup in 2002. 

 

However I really don't like the idea of now jumping straight from 32 to 48 teams. 16 extra teams is a huge leap and will IMO significantly dilute the overall quality - before you even talk about the issues with the format. Even acknowledging the depth of global football small-medium sized countries will always have peaks and troughs in generations (e.g. where are Bulgaria and Romania these days?). That is what qualifying is there for - to cut out sides that don't quite have it at that point in time.

Japan/Korea hosting the thing was obviously great for development of the sport in that region. However the real steps had already begun long before the World Cup with the development of the club game in the 90s - particularly in Japan. It's a balance obviously and you don't want a closed shop mentality that blights other sports but equally developing countries should have to work towards the world stage - not be handed it on a plate. I really am not sure what the likes of Vietnam, Oman, UAE would add to a World Cup at this point.

 

 

 

South Korea probably got their stereotype of blood and thunder fighting until the very end from their go in '94. That insane Spain comeback was one of the most exciting things I have ever seen in a World Cup. They were eye catching even then. Obviously vast difference in the quality of the players now, but since then, I just expect them to be a nightmare to play against in the last ten minutes.

[huss9]

3 minutes ago, cubaricho said:

If it expands (which I don’t agree with in principle) it needs to expand to a number where we keep four teams in the group stages. This week has been one of the most thrilling weeks of football I’ve ever watched. And we’re literally just throwing it away next WC already. Madness. 

i know but 12 groups of 4 and then your talking "best placed 3rd teams"which i hate.

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

Might book a holiday to Qatar. Looks canny.

[aussiemag]

1 hour ago, ponsaelius said:

There's no doubt as the tournament expanded from 16 to 24 and then 32 teams it was justified. Not only did you have Balkanisation of Eastern Europe which created a much deeper European pool of quality teams but the growth and professionalization of the sport elsewhere also drastically improved the depth of quality. An example I always note is how Turkey went from a side that lost to England 8-0 on two separate occasions in the late 80s to making the semi final of a World Cup in 2002. 

 

However I really don't like the idea of now jumping straight from 32 to 48 teams. 16 extra teams is a huge leap and will IMO significantly dilute the overall quality - before you even talk about the issues with the format. Even acknowledging the depth of global football small-medium sized countries will always have peaks and troughs in generations (e.g. where are Bulgaria and Romania these days?). That is what qualifying is there for - to cut out sides that don't quite have it at that point in time.

Japan/Korea hosting the thing was obviously great for development of the sport in that region. However the real steps had already begun long before the World Cup with the development of the club game in the 90s - particularly in Japan. It's a balance obviously and you don't want a closed shop mentality that blights other sports but equally developing countries should have to work towards the world stage - not be handed it on a plate. I really am not sure what the likes of Vietnam, Oman, UAE would add to a World Cup at this point.

 

 

 

it’s probably to give major nations like China a better chance of qualifying. China, Indonesia and India have some of the largest populations in the world. Imagine what it would do for FIFAs bank account If they can get those populations more invested. 

[Disco]

More chance of me as a solo entity representing Doggerland qualifying than India albeit them getting not shit at football would be a genuinely good thing. 
 

You’re right thought it is all just down  income and influence for FIFA and for them to try to keep UEFA in check as ultimately everyone is a horrific greedy cunt.

 

On the flip side though…the World Cup 

[Nobody]

5 hours ago, oldtype said:

This six-team qualification play-in tournament they're planning for 2026 looks absolutely mint though.

What's this? Does it mean there will be 51 teams "qualifying" but three being knocked out ahead of the tournament proper?

Also, what would be the best way to expand the WC to 40-60 teams without fucking up the format completely? 

[Disco]

1 minute ago, Nobody said:

What's this? Does it mean there will be 51 teams "qualifying" but three being knocked out ahead of the tournament proper?

Also, what would be the best way to expand the WC to 40-60 teams without fucking up the format completely? 

It should go 32>64 if it’s going to do owt. Make the first round a knock out and then revert to type or something. Bar the real stuff uneven/non divisible tournament formats are usually probably my biggest bugbear in football/sport. The new CL will absolutely wank when they start it too.

[Nobody]

1 minute ago, Disco said:

It should go 32>64 if it’s going to do owt. Make the first round a knock out and then revert to type or something. Bar the real stuff uneven/non divisible tournament formats are usually probably my biggest bugbear in football/sport. The new CL will absolutely wank when they start it too.

There's a reason I put that 60 cap on there, get a bit creative  Play in tournaments would probably be the way to do it, could have a quite a few variations that still ends up with being just 32 teams once the tournament proper starts. 

But obviously I agree, the new CL format looks absolutely wank, as has the last couple of Euros been since it was expanded. Fucking hated how Portugal drew their way to a Euro win

 

[Flip]

2 hours ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said:

Might book a holiday to Qatar. Looks canny.

Don’t. Might be the worst country I’ve ever visited. Football aside, everything is nearly shit. I’ll make a review for you all later. 

[oldtype]

1 hour ago, Nobody said:

What's this? Does it mean there will be 51 teams "qualifying" but three being knocked out ahead of the tournament proper?

Also, what would be the best way to expand the WC to 40-60 teams without fucking up the format completely? 

47 qualify and then six teams play for the final spot. It’s going to be fun.

[wiseman]

If they’re going to just keep on expanding the format, may as well scrap qualifiers and invite every country to it and then just do the whole thing as a giant knock out tournament

[Peppe]

5 hours ago, cubaricho said:

Agree with a lot of that. And also just to double down on hosts being able to grow the game in their own countries, ‘94 was the launch of MLS here in America and look where the American game has gone since then. 30ish years later and we have the single best generation of talent we’ve ever had and they’re young. 

Imagine Qatar in 30 years, they will be unstoppable! 

 

 

 

[cubaricho]

3 hours ago, Peppe said:

Imagine Qatar in 30 years, they will be unstoppable! 

 

 

 

Sure hope they’re part of the competition.

[Mike]

6 hours ago, Flip said:

Don’t. Might be the worst country I’ve ever visited. Football aside, everything is nearly shit. I’ll make a review for you all later. 

 

Whip around to send Branko to Qatar?

[Rafalove]

Sure