LFEE Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 Feel like I watched a different game to what the media is portraying. Germany the better team first half and Werner had a great chance to put them in front. A few other scares also with crosses etc. We had the RS long range attempt and the fortuitous chance falling to Kane on HT. Second half was drifting until Grealish came on. Two goals aside the other moments I remember was a great Pickford save over the bar and the Muller chance that should’ve been buried to level things. Rice praise continues to baffle me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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James Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 Who was the poster who once famously said that he’d ‘rather NUFC won a throw in than England win something’? Was it Stevieintoon? Always wondered how their opinion may have changed over the years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ9 Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 I get really really annoyed with the people who prattle and whinge about us not playing attacking football. Look at our record prior to Southgate. Look the football we've played for the past 25 years. England have been utterly boring, tactically clueless and at times, absolutely shit for all these years. As soon as we start actually winning some tournament games it's like our squad is Netherlands 74 being put in a straightjacket by some grandma. Based on the recently history we have absolutely no right to be playing expansive football and winning games, and lets face it, are still light years behind the few national teams that can do so. Absolutely mad English exceptionalism at its finest. People think that because they've seen Foden or Grealish do a few tricks that we should somehow be playing total football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 32 minutes ago, LFEE said: Feel like I watched a different game to what the media is portraying. Germany the better team first half and Werner had a great chance to put them in front. A few other scares also with crosses etc. We had the RS long range attempt and the fortuitous chance falling to Kane on HT. Second half was drifting until Grealish came on. Two goals aside the other moments I remember was a great Pickford save over the bar and the Muller chance that should’ve been buried to level things. Rice praise continues to baffle me. Even Klinsmann said that England were the better team in the first half. I can't remember being that concerned about Germany at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 10 minutes ago, alijmitchell said: I get really really annoyed with the people who prattle and whinge about us not playing attacking football. Look at our record prior to Southgate. Look the football we've played for the past 25 years. England have been utterly boring, tactically clueless and at times, absolutely shit for all these years. As soon as we start actually winning some tournament games it's like our squad is Netherlands 74 being put in a straightjacket by some grandma. Based on the recently history we have absolutely no right to be playing expansive football and winning games, and lets face it, are still light years behind the few national teams that can do so. Absolutely mad English exceptionalism at its finest. People think that because they've seen Foden or Grealish do a few tricks that we should somehow be playing total football. Just got to look at what happened to France to see that playing the best football in the world is useless if you concede goals for fun at the other end. England have got goals in the team, the most important thing will be keeping their defence rock solid. This has always been a key in short format cup competitions, one of the reasons I thought Rafa would have won a cup if he was backed properly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 20 minutes ago, alijmitchell said: I get really really annoyed with the people who prattle and whinge about us not playing attacking football. Look at our record prior to Southgate. Look the football we've played for the past 25 years. England have been utterly boring, tactically clueless and at times, absolutely shit for all these years. As soon as we start actually winning some tournament games it's like our squad is Netherlands 74 being put in a straightjacket by some grandma. Based on the recently history we have absolutely no right to be playing expansive football and winning games, and lets face it, are still light years behind the few national teams that can do so. Absolutely mad English exceptionalism at its finest. People think that because they've seen Foden or Grealish do a few tricks that we should somehow be playing total football. Isn't this the other extreme though? I'm more than happy for us to adopt a defensive approach when it suits, but you do need balance. Any Newcastle fan should know, battening down the hatches and hoping for a moment of quality at the other end will see you come unstuck eventually. To clarify, that isn't to say Southgate hasn't done a good job. His team deserve credit for drilling us into a well organised defensive unit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 29 minutes ago, alijmitchell said: Based on the recently history we have absolutely no right to be playing expansive football and winning games, and lets face it, are still light years behind the few national teams that can do so. I don't even believe that these teams exist. They're a fiction that tends to be retrospectively applied to whichever team wins the latest tournament. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Isn't this the other extreme though? I'm more than happy for us to adopt a defensive approach when it suits, but you do need balance. Any Newcastle fan should know, battening down the hatches and hoping for a moment of quality at the other end will see you come unstuck eventually. To clarify, that isn't to say Southgate hasn't done a good job. His team deserve credit for drilling us into a well organised defensive unit. Batten down the hatches?? Is that how you think England played yesterday? I find that an outrageous statement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 It was more a general point about the two extreme views. Fans complaining about the football aren't giving us enough credit for the defensive side of the game. There's a lot to be said for not conceding a goal at this stage on the tournament. Fans thinking we should be confined to a defensive system is equally as bizarre. We've been really poor as an attacking unit at times during the tournament, needlessly so. As I said a couple of posts ago, I think Southgate and his team have realised building from the back is the key to winning tournaments, but you do need a bit of balance. It'll be really interesting to see his approach if we go behind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 I think we play like a boring good team. Benitez's Liverpool, Tuchel's Chelsea, basically any Juventus team you can remember before the last year or two. Win 1-0 or 2-0 most games, get the job done with a minimum of fuss, especially in cups, where results matter most. I think we'll put at least 3 past Ukraine fwiw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackyboy Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 Any improvement must be down to Southgate having our supercoach alongside him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 19 hours ago, RodneyCisse said: Saturday can’t some soon enough, everything from here on out is a bonus. I find this a mad way of thinking If we don't get to the final from now I reckon it's a failure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 As defensive as people say England are, I don't recall any of the teams playing against us being particularly attacking either which says a lot. Germany went a goal down and didn't change from their 3-5-2/5-3-2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 Playing conservatively is probably done so with energy levels in mind too. There's no way a number of the players could execute a high press or an energetic attack following a 50/60 game season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Playing conservatively is probably done so with energy levels in mind too. There's no way a number of the players could execute a high press or an energetic attack following a 50/60 game season. This is probably a good shout actually. That's part of what killed us against Croatia at the World Cup. By the time of the semis the players just ran out of steam after 60 minutes and unfortunately hadn't put the game to bed by then after a pretty solid first half. Wouldn't be surprised if Southgate has made a point of avoiding that happening again, especially after such a busy club season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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leffe186 Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 3 hours ago, 54 said: Ace. Big fan of the purple-shirted Englishperson in the bottom left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 2 hours ago, leffe186 said: 5 hours ago, 54 said: Ace. Big fan of the purple-shirted Englishperson in the bottom left. There's at least 4 Germans who turn and celebrate and carry on without realising. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said: There's at least 4 Germans who turn and celebrate and carry on without realising. The purple person has their head in their hands in the run-up though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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