RodneyCisse Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 https://www.instagram.com/p/Ci3SZjOj2DJ/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 As long as they don’t start sniffing round wor Eddie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, RodneyCisse said: https://www.instagram.com/p/Ci3SZjOj2DJ/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= Pathetic tbh. Bruce is scum, Southgate is the most successful England manager since 1966. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Just had to look up the Nations League format again to see what relegated meant. Fuck me this competition is garbage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Said at the time he should have gone after the Euros. not because he deserved to be sacked but more that he wouldn’t be able to raise the team again. Like losing the play off final, it’s hard to go again. Players needed a change of voice as well. we’ll get out of the group but quarters max in the WC then he will bow out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 51 minutes ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said: Just had to look up the Nations League format again to see what relegated meant. Fuck me this competition is garbage Why? Infinitely better than 100% meaningless friendlies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Maximin Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 I don’t like this idea Southgate fluked his way through major tournaments, but you can’t mention his record without acknowledging the opposition. We clearly did get favourable runs in both 2018 and 2020 and every win we had you’d expect on paper, especially as we were virtually the home team in the Euros. Losing to Croatia in 2018 I’m not too disappointed by as they had an insanely good midfield, but that 2020 final at Wembley was really disappointing and Southgate should rightly get criticism for that. Also for balance I really like what he’s done for the team off the pitch if nothing else - it’s pretty clear he’s had a lot of positive influences on the squad and the fans and their value can’t be underestimated for big tournaments. I just think tactically he’s really poor and as such he’s got a ceiling and won’t take us further. However, I would happily be proven wrong and hope we’ve lowered expectations so much, that it might help the team somehow go on and win the World Cup… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 51 minutes ago, Pata said: Why? Infinitely better than 100% meaningless friendlies. Friendlies are at least "known" to be that . . meaningless practice matches. This effectively pointless, unwanted, tournament is trying to be a tournament, but actually ends up meaningless. I prefer the 'honesty' of friendlies, that I can happily ignore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, manorpark said: Friendlies are at least "known" to be that . . meaningless practice matches. This effectively pointless, unwanted, tournament is trying to be a tournament, but actually ends up meaningless. I prefer the 'honesty' of friendlies, that I can happily ignore. It might seem 100% meaningless to big countries like England but it's pretty important to smaller nations who don't automatically qualify to every tournament. I really don't understand how someone could choose friendlies over the Nations League format. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Just now, Pata said: It might seem 100% meaningless to big countries like England but it's pretty important to smaller nations who don't automatically qualify to every tournament. I really don't understand how someone could choose friendlies over the Nations League format. I was talking from our countries (and my own) perspective, and my post says it all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbee909 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 This lot still going? Never been less interested in England tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 (edited) Think the praise he's had and the criticism are both fair. We haven't scored in 500 minutes now. He's picked 12 defenders in a squad lacking creativity, and sticks with the likes of Maguire and Grealish, who can't get a game and are low on confidence, but can't see any place in a big squad for someone like Maddison, who has been in top form for ages and brings attributes the team badly need. I get that you can't always just pick form players or you'd chop and change your XI every time, and you need players you trust to fit into a system. But what kind of message does it send to the group when you clearly have your favourites who have barely kicked a ball all season and walk into your team? I used to like the fact Southgate didn't let the media and fans dictate his selection, but by stubbornly sticking with the same group, it's now too late to call in players who deserve their chance because he "doesn't know them". Maddison for example has 1 cap for England. Edited September 24, 2022 by ohmelads Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Far too much turn and return football. Majority of players had the mentality of ‘don’t be the one to lose the ball’, they weren’t working decent passing angles in attack, they played the ball in the final third in ways that ensured the man receiving it would be the one to lose it. Bellingham and at times Foden were the only ones thinking ahead to their second touch to take them forward, the rest knew they were going to instantly shield it and lay it off. We’ve been told it’s a happy camp, the divides between players are gone, but they either don’t trust the system or don’t trust each other. Kane and Sterling played like they’ve just found the other in bed with their lass. When does Tomori get his chance if it’s not in his stadium against players he’s most familiar with? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Utterly baffling performance tbh. It should be either the last chance to see a few new players which he largely didn't, or strengthen the final system, which, if that's the case, we're utterly fucked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Didn't see the game, but there are 3 particular players who, on past performances, I wouldn't have picked. Sterling - has his moments, but doesn't use his brain. Walker - good defender, but we need someone better in possession Rice - at international level, doesn't really seem to make things happen. Phillips is injured and can't get a game, but Ward-Prowse, although not a DM would be a decent alternative. We need a proper threat from midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Sterling has his moments? He’s been amongst our best three performers on average for years even though his level has dropped since the Euros. Walker, I agree but for different reasons, his legs are starting to go. He’s been one of our best outlets for years getting us up the pitch so it’s a strange comment about his possession. Rice, is a difficult one, he’s a good player but because we’re so static going forwards he’s really not that great in this system Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 We'll go out in the last 16 and Southgate will be sacked. Ruthless business is international football. Hero to zero. For me, at least he made us likeable again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Agree with both of the above. Seems like we have some genuinely exciting players and ones that maybe offer something a bit different to previous squads. Yet we still play woeful football, with no discernible style of play. It’s all very slow and negative and it didn’t take him long to do what every England manager used to get criticised for. Picking players he likes, regardless of form or who is available. Just seems really rigid with his selections and tactics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 26 minutes ago, gbandit said: Sterling has his moments? He’s been amongst our best three performers on average for years even though his level has dropped since the Euros. Walker, I agree but for different reasons, his legs are starting to go. He’s been one of our best outlets for years getting us up the pitch so it’s a strange comment about his possession. Rice, is a difficult one, he’s a good player but because we’re so static going forwards he’s really not that great in this system My feeling about Sterling is something akin to ASM. His individual contribution might be impressive at times, but does his lack of team awareness create a bigger problem, when it comes to trying to build a side that's going to reach the top? At international level, I never get the feeling that Walker wants the ball. He's a great athlete, but not comfortable in possession. At times, he looks like a blunder about to happen, however good his defending might be at other times. I'd have Chilwell and James as full backs. Rice - great athlete, but I've never joined in the fuss, which seems to be dying down anyway. If we're going to actually win something, we need to take some risks, and Rice seems a risk-averse choice. Thank you for disagreeing with me politely, by the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Originally he organised the mess, now it's an organised mess. Ultimately he's just not a good manager, despite doing a decent job at times. The options are grim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Pundit Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Always the same with England, a manager comes in who is out of touch with reality, using players out of position and playing players on reputation rather than form. Southgate is atrocious, trying to overcomplicate things or play 'safe', fortune favours the brave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, Armchair Pundit said: Always the same with England, a manager comes in who is out of touch with reality, using players out of position and playing players on reputation rather than form. Southgate is atrocious, trying to overcomplicate things or play 'safe', fortune favours the brave. TBF we are just going around circles, we got Keegan in to play attacking football and was immediately accused of being nieve, " you can't play like that in tournament football", Southgate started off really well with the youth but has now fell into the trap of 7 defenders to avoid risk and its basically boring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolberto Disco Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 England is a squad of good guys; Southgate is a wimp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Scrap having a permanent manager. Let the FA pick the Head Coach on a game by game basis depending on the opposition for example. Let that Head Coach pick the squad for that respective game. Could have Howe one game, Potter another, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Have Howe for the World Cup. Cannot be a worse option than Southgate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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