TRon Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 So we need to move on from the old guard and start playing the younger generation, or/and stop playing kids from the big teams just because they play for big teams like Rashford or Lingaard? I'm so confused what the correct thing to say in the pub is How about pick 11 players who will make up a good team rather than 11 individual stars? Wales don't have better players than England, but collectively they look much more fluent. The problem with most England managers is they pick the team which they think will make the man in the pub happy. Which 11 would that be then? I'm not really expecting you to answer that because at the moment there isn't really anything standing out to change (Rooney in midfield aside). It doesn't really matter which 11 as long as the manager has a coherent idea of how he wants to set the team up and how they are meant to play. That's why I said it's not about picking individual stars it's about knowing your method and which players suit it. Ironically Allardyce could be described as that except those methods were never going to work at international level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 That's fair but you get a couple of weeks every couple months to do it. The likes of Poch and Klopp get given the leeway of 'it might take them half a season to implement their style' when they get to work with the players almost every day. The Carragher thing recently about Rafa doing drills on shape over and over again in training untill the players get it right. You just don't have the time to do that really at international level unless you're there and also use pretty much the same players for a long length of time It's just a lot harder than people make it out to be. Which imakes it frustrating when people cry 'ohhh he should obviously be playing player x and dropping player y' when the fundamental problems will still exist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Chile managed it for a good while. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 I think you just need a clear idea of what your methods are then you can pick players who will suit that. Rafa would be a great international manager long term, because he would quickly assess those who can do what he needs and discard those that don't. The problem with McClaren and Hodgson is that they were just picking players who were flavour of the month and there wasn't any clear method. That's how you end up with Gerrard and Lampard in the same midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Friendly against Germany in Dortmund announced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 I'm not convinced having a consistent team is all that much of a benefit if it means leaving out players who are in much better form than others. Vardy for example should've played every game for the last year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 I don't think anybody mentioned using the same players exclusively, the idea for me would be for a manager to have a clear method then use the players to execute it successfully. No reason why in form players couldn't be used in that formula. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Fair enough, I just mean sometimes you might have to change the formation slightly to accommodate the hot players. If only Kane is playing well then go 4-2-3-1, but if Rashford and Vardy are also scoring freely then may as well go 4-3-3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Fair enough, I just mean sometimes you might have to change the formation slightly to accommodate the hot players. If only Kane is playing well then go 4-2-3-1, but if Rashford and Vardy are also scoring freely then may as well go 4-3-3. What if playing 4-3-3 plays right into the hands of the opposition? Every game is different unless you are much better than everyone else. I think all you can really ask for is a manager with some pedigree and a good reputation in the game, then let him get on with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37853386 England and Scotland could face a points deduction if they defy a Fifa ban on players wearing poppies when the teams meet on Armistice Day. Football Association chief executive Martin Glenn said both FAs will defy the ban and accept any punishment. Fifa general secretary Fatma Samba Diouf Samoura told BBC Sport "any kind of sanction" could follow. World football's governing body prohibits political, religious or commercial messages on shirts. UK Prime Minister Theresa May called the rule "outrageous". This is just stupid, from both the FA and FIFA ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 PAY POPPIES SOLDIERS WAGES (It is a meaningless gesture if wearing poppies is enforced anyway) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Best thing the FA has ever done. Nothing silly from their point of view. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 They went through it five years ago and came to an agreement, there was really no reason for them to reignite the argument. Just put the armbands on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 This is why we needed Brexit, bruv! Makin' our own laws, innit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Should have gone with Danny's Law Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 I hope we take the deduction. Our freedom gave us the ability to enjoy a simple game of football and enjoy the coming together of nations and cultures for such events. FIFA can get to fuck Edit: If players don't wish to participate they shouldn't have to and nor should they be booed or jeered. We fought for democracy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 We never fought for democracy. We fought because if we didn't Nazi Germany would have walked into the country and took over Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TooonDoom Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 We never fought for democracy. We fought because if we didn't Nazi Germany would have walked into the country and took over Funny at several levels meant or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Instead of mascots I hope the players are forced on to the field at gunpoint by HERO soldiers (the posh ones not the charva ones) and instead of signing the anthem they're made to go to a hastily erected cashpoint and withdraw their wages to give these much more deserving men before being made to lick the shape of a poppy on to their jackboots as a sign of respect. Then and only then can we say the FA have done enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Love a Disco idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Throw a few sacrifices of bearded muslims into the pre-game ritual and that's perfect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 They should dig a trench either end of the pitch and pretend it's xmas by having trees for corner flags and fireplaces for goals and whichever team of smelly foreigners can shake hands and join in, with the crowd having no clue of the significance whatsoever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John P Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 If any further evidence was needed that this poppy thing was a load of bollocks, Pards has backed the FA over it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 Alli out for a few weeks so he'll miss the Scotland game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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