Guest firetotheworks Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Will the details be released eventually? I'd like to know exactly what it is and his version before I feel easy about loving him still or not. He's just said that it's his, he hopes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 If Shelvey DID make stupid remarks then he is an idiot....this could cost us dearly and he should have thought of that before making them ; there are plenty of things he could have said to an opponent which would have been 'legally' insulting rather than falling into the trap of using racism, which as we know, is a prime crusade of outfits like the FA. If it is an attempt by an opposing club - esp one which would like to scramble into the promotion frame like Wolves who are on the fringes - to cause trouble without real proof, then they should be punished. We are going to have to get hold of a creative m/f player pronto, either by loan or in the Jan window or our promotion push could be derailed because we will struggle to score the necessary number of goals and the powers that be may just be a bit pleased by this...I believe we have powerful enemies both at political(because of Ashley)and football level...look at the lousy decisions we keep falling foul of - some MAY be inefficiency but.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ogden Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Will the details be released eventually? I'd like to know exactly what it is and his version before I feel easy about loving him still or not. You are asking for somebody to publish the racial or religious slurs? Maybe the custodian that empties the trash in the FA conference room will leak something to the Sun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hhtoon Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Why are people fixated on the 7 weeks? Would they rather the FA charged immediately at the point of complaint or bother to investigate? It could be particularly sensitive so they've taken their time, we could have dragged our feet to keep him playing as long as possible etc. Doubt there is anything sinister in play, just processes can drag sometimes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Will the details be released eventually? I'd like to know exactly what it is and his version before I feel easy about loving him still or not. You are asking for somebody to publish the racial or religious slurs? Maybe the custodian that empties the trash in the FA conference room will leak something to the Sun. well no, I was asking if there'll eventually be something released, if it's standard policy or not. In the Suarez evra case I'm sure there was actually a long document released about their decision and the details. Didn't know if that's standard. Sorry if you know better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Am worried if he gets a long ban will cripple us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Tnh if it wasn't for the Leeds and Hull games coming up I'd not really car that much. We're a quality side and not just a one man team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Tnh if it wasn't for the Leeds and Hull games coming up I'd not really car that much. We're a quality side and not just a one man team. Shelvey walks this division and it'll be a blow, but we can win games without him. If he does get a ban, I'd bet on us still being top by the time he comes back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shintonsghost Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 massive blow, our best player, but we'll manage he drives us forward Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 When we expecting a decision? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 I've spent the last half an hour trying to fix this thread but it was such a mess and full of such drivel and often unacceptable comments I've blanket deleted everything from the last few days. Keep your own views on the definition and merits of racism to yourself. If you can't do that then this thread will be locked again and you may be banned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 When we expecting a decision? Chronicle reckon next week at the earliest with him requesting a personal hearing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 When we expecting a decision? Chronicle reckon next week at the earliest with him requesting a personal hearing. I would love to watch it. I bet he is pacing up and down, continually muttering under his breath and breaking into tearful meltdowns. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Toon Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Thoughts of racism or not but if the person who was 'offended' didn't even know it at the time although has one witness to recognise it against the person who supposedly aired their views with a witness to back up his view that he didn't, then this is going to be mighty hard to decide on. This is before the rights and wrongs of comments come into it and from the outside look like a straight forward case of tellings off and future conduct warnings. Without the full facts though although armed with the denial by Shelvey, this seems to me like a case that may drag through the legal channels if the FA revert to type. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Ah man, where's all the racism chat gone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 He's possibly basing his defence on not knowing what cous cous is. Then when they say "It's reported you said blah blah fucking blah" and cous cous isn't mentioned that he'll say "Oh, that................................guilty" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Talk about the England squad please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Apparently he was being wound up about his Alopecia. If so, it should offer him a chance of getting off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Apparently he was being wound up about his Alopecia. If so, it should offer him a chance of getting off. No need to get his hair off though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 What I don’t understand is how there was no reaction in the slightest of the Wolves team mate who apparently heard the racist abuse! No confrontation or anything – if I heard some lad that I was playing with receiving racist abuse then I’d be straight on to whichever wanker was mouthing off! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 I cracked the case in the other thread, Shelvey was explaining that he'd had cous cous once. He'll be areet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Apparently he was being wound up about his Alopecia. If so, it should offer him a chance of getting off. Again. Not saying that it is right or wrong, with one form of abuse being worse than the other. But I don't think that would stand up would it? "Yeah. Well he kept taking the piss about my baldness, only I heard it, though. So I snapped at the end of the game and called him a *insert racist word here.*" I'm sure someone mentioned that the FA have something ridiculous, like a 90 odd percent guilty rate when they charge a player. From what we have been told, it seems to be one player's word against another. Which is a dangerous precedent to set, should he be found guilty. I'm sure, or at least hope. That we will get more of the details, whatever the verdict. It's all just speculation at the minute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Obviously the two are incomparable but it's a bit hypocritical to mouth off and make fun someone for having a medical condition and then play the race card when said person snaps back. Not that I'm defending the use of racial abuse, I think both of them were abhorrent in this situation if Shelvey did lash back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 If Saiss did wind him up about being bald then played the race card, then he's just a cunt. But that's unlikely as he can hardly speak English apperantly. I doubt Shelvey's actually racist, but anyone can probably snap and say something insulting when wound up. It's what happens. People say something they know will offend to lash out. Of course that doesn't mean Shelvey is/isn't racist. Only he himself knows that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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