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I don't know how anyone can still think the championship is hard to get out of when even Sunderland coasted out of it last time they went down. Our squad is so much better than the rest in that division it isn't even a contest. Obviously the players will have to put the hard yards in, but guess what? We've got one of the best managers in the game to make sure they do just that. :lol:

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i think your creativity in that league comes from the likes of aarons, perez, ritchie, gayle etc. with the obvious passing quality of shelvey to back it up

 

as long as the players we have in the middle are able to compete physically and also help retain possession we'll be fine, which is why i'm so concerned about colback

 

also want to see more of saivet, i liked the very little i saw of him and think he could displace the ginger buffoon if given a decent chance

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Said this several times already but someone has to get them ball and in areas of the pitch where they can be effective without having to dribble 20 yards before you get close to the penalty area like Ben Arfa used to.

 

Being physically competent and able to retain possession will be pointless, if the attacking players are forced to come really deep because our midfielders are not good enough to put them into positions where can cause problems.

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Said this several times already but someone has to get them ball and in areas of the pitch where they can be effective without having to dribble 20 yards before you get close to the penalty area like Ben Arfa used to.

 

Being physically competent and able to retain possession will be pointless, if the attacking players are forced to come really deep because our midfielders are not good enough to put them into positions where can cause problems.

 

so what type of midfielder are you talking about then?  considering we have shelvey in the squad

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Said this several times already but someone has to get them ball and in areas of the pitch where they can be effective without having to dribble 20 yards before you get close to the penalty area like Ben Arfa used to.

 

Being physically competent and able to retain possession will be pointless, if the attacking players are forced to come really deep because our midfielders are not good enough to put them into positions where can cause problems.

 

That can be achieved with good movement and this is where Rafa's coaching will come in. You can have the best dribblers in the world but it's not as effective as quick one touch passing and plenty of movement off the ball.

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Said this several times already but someone has to get them ball and in areas of the pitch where they can be effective without having to dribble 20 yards before you get close to the penalty area like Ben Arfa used to.

 

Being physically competent and able to retain possession will be pointless, if the attacking players are forced to come really deep because our midfielders are not good enough to put them into positions where can cause problems.

 

That can be achieved with good movement and this is where Rafa's coaching will come in. You can have the best dribblers in the world but it's not as effective as quick one touch passing and plenty of movement off the ball.

 

exactly, i don't expect the team to stand around in the old rigid pardew table football style formations, good movement and quality on the ball will be enough in that division as long as we can win and retain the ball sufficiently

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That can be achieved with good movement and this is where Rafa's coaching will come in. You can have the best dribblers in the world but it's not as effective as quick one touch passing and plenty of movement off the ball.

 

That's true and it translates to any level. Bournemouth have proved that in the Premiership. No outstanding individuals but good passing and movement off the ball. Am a big fan of Eddie Howe and it was obvious from the early part of the season that they had enough to stay up. Had they not been crippled by injuries early on they would have finished even higher. Expect them to kick on next year.

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Said this several times already but someone has to get them ball and in areas of the pitch where they can be effective without having to dribble 20 yards before you get close to the penalty area like Ben Arfa used to.

 

Being physically competent and able to retain possession will be pointless, if the attacking players are forced to come really deep because our midfielders are not good enough to put them into positions where can cause problems.

 

so what type of midfielder are you talking about then?  considering we have shelvey in the squad

 

Shelvey by himself isn't enough, we need more than that. Same sort of type but hopefully someone who is better if not more consistent.

 

Basically at the moment we are asking Shelvey to be the creative source from midfield all season long, we need more than just Shelvey.

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Said this several times already but someone has to get them ball and in areas of the pitch where they can be effective without having to dribble 20 yards before you get close to the penalty area like Ben Arfa used to.

 

Being physically competent and able to retain possession will be pointless, if the attacking players are forced to come really deep because our midfielders are not good enough to put them into positions where can cause problems.

 

so what type of midfielder are you talking about then?  considering we have shelvey in the squad

 

Shelvey by himself isn't enough, we need more than that. Same sort of type but hopefully someone who is better if not more consistent.

 

Basically at the moment we are asking Shelvey to be the creative source from midfield all season long, we need more than just Shelvey.

 

were danny drinkwater and kante particularly creative for Leicester last year out of interest?

 

EDIT: more to the point if they indeed were getting good assists stats and so on would you have pegged either of them for it at the start?

 

i'm with what Tron said like

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They were good enough and getting the ball forward to Mahrez and Vardy as quick as possible tbh, we don't have anyone like that or like those two really. Also based on the end of last season i doubt we are going to be playing anything like them for the comparison to be relevant.

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:lol: Joey Barton was one of the best midfielders in the Championship last season... anyone who thinks Shelvey and Colback aren't good enough to comfortably get us up at this level clearly doesn't watch the Championship that often.

 

The hype of "it's a difficult league to get out of" is almost as bad as saying Allardyce is a relegation surviving king. Any team who has been relegated who are worth their salt has come straight back up, the only ones who don't are riddled with debt and/or lose their best players/majority of their team.

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I think its pretty ridiculous to justify your arguments for us based on Leicester last year.

 

 

 

how so?  the discussion is that having 2 CM's that can compete physically and athletically with a decent level of competence technically and passing-wise would be more than enough presuming the rest of the team has good movement, but the lad is saying we need creative CM's

 

i didn't watch every leicester game last year but what i did see was kante and drinkwater out running the opposition, winning the ball really well and distributing it effectively to players in a system that had good off the ball movement in a well-drilled system

 

how is that ridiculous?

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They were good enough and getting the ball forward to Mahrez and Vardy as quick as possible tbh, we don't have anyone like that or like those two really. Also based on the end of last season i doubt we are going to be playing anything like them for the comparison to be relevant.

 

Shelves is a great passer, if instructed to do so he can move the ball forward accurately and quickly at this level. He's also a goal threat at this level.

 

Which midfielder of the likes from the championship last year do you have in mind?

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They were good enough and getting the ball forward to Mahrez and Vardy as quick as possible tbh, we don't have anyone like that or like those two really. Also based on the end of last season i doubt we are going to be playing anything like them for the comparison to be relevant.

 

Shelves is a great passer, if instructed to do so he can move the ball forward accurately and quickly at this level. He's also a goal threat at this level.

 

Which midfielder of the likes from the championship last year do you have in mind?

 

I'm not denying that he is, i'm saying that him alone isn't enough. If Shelvey got injured or loss form would you be comfortable with Tiote and Colback again? because i wouldn't.

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I think its pretty ridiculous to justify your arguments for us based on Leicester last year.

 

 

 

how so?  the discussion is that having 2 CM's that can compete physically and athletically with a decent level of competence technically and passing-wise would be more than enough presuming the rest of the team has good movement, but the lad is saying we need creative CM's

 

i didn't watch every leicester game last year but what i did see was kante and drinkwater out running the opposition, winning the ball really well and distributing it effectively to players in a system that had good off the ball movement in a well-drilled system

 

how is that ridiculous?

 

David McCreery once of these parts, described his CM job as to win the ball and give it to someone else. The someone elses did the creating. Seemed to work well.

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