joeyt Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 I think its pretty ridiculous to justify your arguments for us based on Leicester last year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 They were good enough and getting the ball forward to Mahrez and Vardy as quick as possible tbh, we don't have anyone like that or like those two really. Also based on the end of last season i doubt we are going to be playing anything like them for the comparison to be relevant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Joey Barton was one of the best midfielders in the Championship last season... anyone who thinks Shelvey and Colback aren't good enough to comfortably get us up at this level clearly doesn't watch the Championship that often. The hype of "it's a difficult league to get out of" is almost as bad as saying Allardyce is a relegation surviving king. Any team who has been relegated who are worth their salt has come straight back up, the only ones who don't are riddled with debt and/or lose their best players/majority of their team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 I think its pretty ridiculous to justify your arguments for us based on Leicester last year. how so? the discussion is that having 2 CM's that can compete physically and athletically with a decent level of competence technically and passing-wise would be more than enough presuming the rest of the team has good movement, but the lad is saying we need creative CM's i didn't watch every leicester game last year but what i did see was kante and drinkwater out running the opposition, winning the ball really well and distributing it effectively to players in a system that had good off the ball movement in a well-drilled system how is that ridiculous? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 They were good enough and getting the ball forward to Mahrez and Vardy as quick as possible tbh, we don't have anyone like that or like those two really. Also based on the end of last season i doubt we are going to be playing anything like them for the comparison to be relevant. Shelves is a great passer, if instructed to do so he can move the ball forward accurately and quickly at this level. He's also a goal threat at this level. Which midfielder of the likes from the championship last year do you have in mind? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Shelves was a typo btw, not a pet name Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Shelves is better at hold up play anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 They were good enough and getting the ball forward to Mahrez and Vardy as quick as possible tbh, we don't have anyone like that or like those two really. Also based on the end of last season i doubt we are going to be playing anything like them for the comparison to be relevant. Shelves is a great passer, if instructed to do so he can move the ball forward accurately and quickly at this level. He's also a goal threat at this level. Which midfielder of the likes from the championship last year do you have in mind? I'm not denying that he is, i'm saying that him alone isn't enough. If Shelvey got injured or loss form would you be comfortable with Tiote and Colback again? because i wouldn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 I think its pretty ridiculous to justify your arguments for us based on Leicester last year. how so? the discussion is that having 2 CM's that can compete physically and athletically with a decent level of competence technically and passing-wise would be more than enough presuming the rest of the team has good movement, but the lad is saying we need creative CM's i didn't watch every leicester game last year but what i did see was kante and drinkwater out running the opposition, winning the ball really well and distributing it effectively to players in a system that had good off the ball movement in a well-drilled system how is that ridiculous? David McCreery once of these parts, described his CM job as to win the ball and give it to someone else. The someone elses did the creating. Seemed to work well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 In that situation with Tiote and Colback/anita behind a very good front four, then yes I would. Shelveys injury record is pretty good anyway iirc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 I think its pretty ridiculous to justify your arguments for us based on Leicester last year. how so? the discussion is that having 2 CM's that can compete physically and athletically with a decent level of competence technically and passing-wise would be more than enough presuming the rest of the team has good movement, but the lad is saying we need creative CM's i didn't watch every leicester game last year but what i did see was kante and drinkwater out running the opposition, winning the ball really well and distributing it effectively to players in a system that had good off the ball movement in a well-drilled system how is that ridiculous? Your initial post seemed to suggest that because Mole wouldn't have predicted this time last year that Kante and Drinkwater would do so well with Leicester then that means we should be fine without a creative CM. But no one predicted that Leicester would win the league, and there's pretty much no other player in the world with as much energy as Kante, especially not in our team. Shelvey is completely different to Kante and Drinkwater. Not to mention we'll be using a completely different system because we'll have to dictate play and not play solely on the counter attack which Leicester did for most of the season. Just find it a bit pointless when people compare stuff with us with Leicester when we play with a different system, be in a different league and have completely different players. This post being an example: Leicester have just won the Premier League with a CB pairing of Huth and Morgan. Hanley will be more than adequate as a defender in the Championship Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 I think its pretty ridiculous to justify your arguments for us based on Leicester last year. how so? the discussion is that having 2 CM's that can compete physically and athletically with a decent level of competence technically and passing-wise would be more than enough presuming the rest of the team has good movement, but the lad is saying we need creative CM's i didn't watch every leicester game last year but what i did see was kante and drinkwater out running the opposition, winning the ball really well and distributing it effectively to players in a system that had good off the ball movement in a well-drilled system how is that ridiculous? Your initial post seemed to suggest that because Mole wouldn't have predicted this time last year that Kante and Drinkwater would do so well with Leicester then that means we should be fine without a creative CM. But no one predicted that Leicester would win the league, and there's pretty much no other player in the world with as much energy as Kante, especially not in our team. Shelvey is completely different to Kante and Drinkwater. Not to mention we'll be using a completely different system because we'll have to dictate play and not play solely on the counter attack which Leicester did for most of the season. Just find it a bit pointless when people compare stuff with us with Leicester when we play with a different system, be in a different league and have completely different players. This post being an example: Leicester have just won the Premier League with a CB pairing of Huth and Morgan. Hanley will be more than adequate as a defender in the Championship i think it was a valid example of the point i was making, but each to their own still to hear an example of this 'other type' of CM we should get can apparently do the while we're down in the championship Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Fwiw for all his faults, Colback can pass the ball fine for the championship imo. We don't need a budget Xaxi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 I would like to see us sign an attack minded midfielder who can carry the ball, similar to Wijnaldum for the games when he turned up. Think we probably have enough as it is, but that would improve us massively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubestationatmidnight Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Van der vaart and Robson Kanu and we are done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leazes_End_Mag Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Van der vaart and Robson Kanu and we are done Robson Kanu? Hope to god you're joking. Hes absolutely shit and one good goal in the euros doesn't change that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubestationatmidnight Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Works hard puts himself about and would get double figures for us be a good squad player Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubestationatmidnight Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Talk to me about VDV though. If he is even half the player he was he is exactly what we need a skilful goalscoring midfielder Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 I've just looked up his scoring record. He's had 9 seasons since his debut, 6 in the Championship, 2 in League One, one in the Premier League...his best goal return was 7 and that was his season in the Premier League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubestationatmidnight Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 He's played in the premier league? Who for? Cardiff? Always seems to put himself about and work his socks off when I've seen him and if he hits 10 goals as well as Gayle mitro and Perez getting double figures that would be enough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leazes_End_Mag Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Works hard puts himself about and would get double figures for us be a good squad player Hes scored 37 goals in 282 appearances in his full club and international career. He scored 1 goal last season and then Reading binned him off so its madness to even suggest we should consider him. He can have all the effort in the world but he's got very little talent and he's nowhere near the quality of player we should be looking at. Leave him for the likes of Hull and Burnley to fight over. Talk to me about VDV though. If he is even half the player he was he is exactly what we need a skilful goalscoring midfielder As for this one, he had a poor spell in Spain but he's still a quality player. The sort of player that would walk straight into our team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 He had a season at Reading a few seasons ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubestationatmidnight Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Fair dos then didn't know his scoring record was that poor. VDV though is type of player we need to finish off our first team nicely. Someone to get on the ball and unlock defences. I hate to think who is the closest to that we have now. Probably shelves Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Joey Barton was one of the best midfielders in the Championship last season... anyone who thinks Shelvey and Colback aren't good enough to comfortably get us up at this level clearly doesn't watch the Championship that often. The hype of "it's a difficult league to get out of" is almost as bad as saying Allardyce is a relegation surviving king. Any team who has been relegated who are worth their salt has come straight back up, the only ones who don't are riddled with debt and/or lose their best players/majority of their team. Common sense ^^^^ There will be the odd up and down, but Chris Hughton has the silverware on his CV, Rafa will p*ss it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubestationatmidnight Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Colback ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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