Yorkie Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 At the start of the week I was really pessimistic about Rafa's future here, but it's looking a lot more promising now after two important signings that were clearly both Rafa's choices. We're not out of the woods yet but if all signings are in by the Spurs game, you'd hope everything will be alright. My worry remains about the amount of players currently on the books. Hopefully we can get Krul and Murphy out asap because one would imagine their existence here is potentially blocking incomings. Not to mention the likes of Saivet and Lazaar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 It's really not silly money anymore either, particularly when you then go to spend it and find that that'll get you someone like Grant Hanley. Or it could be the difference between signing or not signing a new centre forward. No chance. Would you like to back that up with a reasoned argument or are you just going to continue to make assertions without anything logical to back them up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 At the start of the week I was really pessimistic about Rafa's future here, but it's looking a lot more promising now after two important signings that were clearly both Rafa's choices. We're not out of the woods yet but if all signings are in by the Spurs game, you'd hope everything will be alright. My worry remains about the amount of players currently on the books. Hopefully we can get Krul and Murphy out asap because one would imagine their existence here is potentially blocking incomings. Not to mention the likes of Saivet and Lazaar. Colback, Hanley, Saivet, Lazaar, Murphy, Krul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 It's really not silly money anymore either, particularly when you then go to spend it and find that that'll get you someone like Grant Hanley. Or it could be the difference between signing or not signing a new centre forward. I highly, highly doubt that. It could be the difference between signing a £15m striker or a £21m striker though. I don't think this money will end up in the transfer budget, and it shouldn't be. It should be used primarily on the youth setup. How would you know this man? I'm out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 It's really not silly money anymore either, particularly when you then go to spend it and find that that'll get you someone like Grant Hanley. Or it could be the difference between signing or not signing a new centre forward. No chance. Would you like to back that up with a reasoned argument or are you just going to continue to make assertions without anything logical to back them up? Yawn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 It's really not silly money anymore either, particularly when you then go to spend it and find that that'll get you someone like Grant Hanley. Or it could be the difference between signing or not signing a new centre forward. I highly, highly doubt that. You doubt that it could be? Howay man, it's obvious what I'm saying, it's not as simple as saying 'we're getting 6m for this player therefore we're spending it on this other player'. If it goes in the pot of money that Rafa can spend, the pot gets bigger. Aye but we don't need to sell promising youngsters to fund moves for a striker We have more than enough for that already. Can't believe you are even bringing that up tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 It's really not silly money anymore either, particularly when you then go to spend it and find that that'll get you someone like Grant Hanley. Or it could be the difference between signing or not signing a new centre forward. I highly, highly doubt that. It could be the difference between signing a £15m striker or a £21m striker though. I don't think this money will end up in the transfer budget, and it shouldn't be. It should be used primarily on the youth setup. How would you know this man? I'm out. Good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 At the start of the week I was really pessimistic about Rafa's future here, but it's looking a lot more promising now after two important signings that were clearly both Rafa's choices. We're not out of the woods yet but if all signings are in by the Spurs game, you'd hope everything will be alright. My worry remains about the amount of players currently on the books. Hopefully we can get Krul and Murphy out asap because one would imagine their existence here is potentially blocking incomings. Not to mention the likes of Saivet and Lazaar. Colback, Hanley, Saivet, Lazaar, Murphy, Krul I think it'll be another year before Colback is moved on, unless we get two CMs in the next 6 weeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 At the start of the week I was really pessimistic about Rafa's future here, but it's looking a lot more promising now after two important signings that were clearly both Rafa's choices. We're not out of the woods yet but if all signings are in by the Spurs game, you'd hope everything will be alright. My worry remains about the amount of players currently on the books. Hopefully we can get Krul and Murphy out asap because one would imagine their existence here is potentially blocking incomings. Not to mention the likes of Saivet and Lazaar. Colback, Hanley, Saivet, Lazaar, Murphy, Krul I think it'll be another year before Colback is moved on, unless we get two CMs in the next 6 weeks. Aww man, don't say things like that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 At the start of the week I was really pessimistic about Rafa's future here, but it's looking a lot more promising now after two important signings that were clearly both Rafa's choices. We're not out of the woods yet but if all signings are in by the Spurs game, you'd hope everything will be alright. My worry remains about the amount of players currently on the books. Hopefully we can get Krul and Murphy out asap because one would imagine their existence here is potentially blocking incomings. Not to mention the likes of Saivet and Lazaar. Colback, Hanley, Saivet, Lazaar, Murphy, Krul I think it'll be another year before Colback is moved on, unless we get two CMs in the next 6 weeks. Aww man, don't say things like that Colback is going to be needed for squad purposes this season sadly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Sorry. He's 3rd in the pecking order, we'll need two CMs. I could see us signing one now and then another either in January or next summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 At the start of the week I was really pessimistic about Rafa's future here, but it's looking a lot more promising now after two important signings that were clearly both Rafa's choices. We're not out of the woods yet but if all signings are in by the Spurs game, you'd hope everything will be alright. My worry remains about the amount of players currently on the books. Hopefully we can get Krul and Murphy out asap because one would imagine their existence here is potentially blocking incomings. Not to mention the likes of Saivet and Lazaar. Colback, Hanley, Saivet, Lazaar, Murphy, Krul I think it'll be another year before Colback is moved on, unless we get two CMs in the next 6 weeks. Aww man, don't say things like that Colback is going to be needed for squad purposes this season sadly. You're killing me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 At the start of the week I was really pessimistic about Rafa's future here, but it's looking a lot more promising now after two important signings that were clearly both Rafa's choices. We're not out of the woods yet but if all signings are in by the Spurs game, you'd hope everything will be alright. My worry remains about the amount of players currently on the books. Hopefully we can get Krul and Murphy out asap because one would imagine their existence here is potentially blocking incomings. Not to mention the likes of Saivet and Lazaar. Colback, Hanley, Saivet, Lazaar, Murphy, Krul I think it'll be another year before Colback is moved on, unless we get two CMs in the next 6 weeks. Aww man, don't say things like that Colback is going to be needed for squad purposes this season sadly. You're killing me. Just hope we sign a CM, that puts him further down the pecking order. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 At the start of the week I was really pessimistic about Rafa's future here, but it's looking a lot more promising now after two important signings that were clearly both Rafa's choices. We're not out of the woods yet but if all signings are in by the Spurs game, you'd hope everything will be alright. My worry remains about the amount of players currently on the books. Hopefully we can get Krul and Murphy out asap because one would imagine their existence here is potentially blocking incomings. Not to mention the likes of Saivet and Lazaar. Colback, Hanley, Saivet, Lazaar, Murphy, Krul Fortunately Hanley's existence didn't prohibit the Lejeune signing but aye, I'm sure we're keen to offload him all the same. Colback will be here until his contract runs out I bet. I think even Rafa sees him as a valuable member of the dressing room. Hopefully he just won't play much. The others, yeah, they need to go desperately. Riviere too. Arguably Mitrovic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 At the start of the week I was really pessimistic about Rafa's future here, but it's looking a lot more promising now after two important signings that were clearly both Rafa's choices. We're not out of the woods yet but if all signings are in by the Spurs game, you'd hope everything will be alright. My worry remains about the amount of players currently on the books. Hopefully we can get Krul and Murphy out asap because one would imagine their existence here is potentially blocking incomings. Not to mention the likes of Saivet and Lazaar. Colback, Hanley, Saivet, Lazaar, Murphy, Krul Fortunately Hanley's existence didn't prohibit the Lejeune signing but aye, I'm sure we're keen to offload him all the same. Colback will be here until his contract runs out I bet. I think even Rafa sees him as a valuable member of the dressing room. Hopefully he just won't play much. The others, yeah, they need to go desperately. Riviere too. Arguably Mitrovic. Diame as well. We've got 3 players for that No. 10 position in our squad currently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 At the start of the week I was really pessimistic about Rafa's future here, but it's looking a lot more promising now after two important signings that were clearly both Rafa's choices. We're not out of the woods yet but if all signings are in by the Spurs game, you'd hope everything will be alright. My worry remains about the amount of players currently on the books. Hopefully we can get Krul and Murphy out asap because one would imagine their existence here is potentially blocking incomings. Not to mention the likes of Saivet and Lazaar. Colback, Hanley, Saivet, Lazaar, Murphy, Krul Fortunately Hanley's existence didn't prohibit the Lejeune signing but aye, I'm sure we're keen to offload him all the same. Colback will be here until his contract runs out I bet. I think even Rafa sees him as a valuable member of the dressing room. Hopefully he just won't play much. The others, yeah, they need to go desperately. Riviere too. Arguably Mitrovic. I keep forgetting about Riviere. Haidara too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 At the start of the week I was really pessimistic about Rafa's future here, but it's looking a lot more promising now after two important signings that were clearly both Rafa's choices. We're not out of the woods yet but if all signings are in by the Spurs game, you'd hope everything will be alright. My worry remains about the amount of players currently on the books. Hopefully we can get Krul and Murphy out asap because one would imagine their existence here is potentially blocking incomings. Not to mention the likes of Saivet and Lazaar. Colback, Hanley, Saivet, Lazaar, Murphy, Krul Fortunately Hanley's existence didn't prohibit the Lejeune signing but aye, I'm sure we're keen to offload him all the same. Colback will be here until his contract runs out I bet. I think even Rafa sees him as a valuable member of the dressing room. Hopefully he just won't play much. The others, yeah, they need to go desperately. Riviere too. Arguably Mitrovic. I keep forgetting about Riviere. Haidara too. We've got a lot of rubbish to shift out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 At the start of the week I was really pessimistic about Rafa's future here, but it's looking a lot more promising now after two important signings that were clearly both Rafa's choices. We're not out of the woods yet but if all signings are in by the Spurs game, you'd hope everything will be alright. My worry remains about the amount of players currently on the books. Hopefully we can get Krul and Murphy out asap because one would imagine their existence here is potentially blocking incomings. Not to mention the likes of Saivet and Lazaar. Colback, Hanley, Saivet, Lazaar, Murphy, Krul Fortunately Hanley's existence didn't prohibit the Lejeune signing but aye, I'm sure we're keen to offload him all the same. Colback will be here until his contract runs out I bet. I think even Rafa sees him as a valuable member of the dressing room. Hopefully he just won't play much. The others, yeah, they need to go desperately. Riviere too. Arguably Mitrovic. I keep forgetting about Riviere. Haidara too. We've got a lot of rubbish to shift out. Which is pretty obviously the main issue we're having. What a shit approach to transfers we've had for years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Stench of Carr and Pardew lingering on... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobS Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 So.. Colback - Jun 2019 Hanley - Jun 2021 Saivet - Jun 2021 Lazaar - Jun 2021 Murphy - Jun 2018 Krul - Jun 2018 Riviere - Jun 2020 Haidara - Jun 2018 So, if we can't sell them theirs a ton of dead wood earning millions, all using squad places. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 At the start of the week I was really pessimistic about Rafa's future here, but it's looking a lot more promising now after two important signings that were clearly both Rafa's choices. We're not out of the woods yet but if all signings are in by the Spurs game, you'd hope everything will be alright. My worry remains about the amount of players currently on the books. Hopefully we can get Krul and Murphy out asap because one would imagine their existence here is potentially blocking incomings. Not to mention the likes of Saivet and Lazaar. Colback, Hanley, Saivet, Lazaar, Murphy, Krul Fortunately Hanley's existence didn't prohibit the Lejeune signing but aye, I'm sure we're keen to offload him all the same. Colback will be here until his contract runs out I bet. I think even Rafa sees him as a valuable member of the dressing room. Hopefully he just won't play much. The others, yeah, they need to go desperately. Riviere too. Arguably Mitrovic. I keep forgetting about Riviere. Haidara too. We've got a lot of rubbish to shift out. Which is pretty obviously the main issue we're having. What a shit approach to transfers we've had for years. Yup, been obvious for weeks. And as Kanji says, the legacy of Carr/Pards/Steve is very much a part of our scuppered plans thus far. Probably part of the reason as to why those January recruits were blocked, too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 I believe Murphy was only signed because it got confirmed that Gouffran was not going to sign that contract. Regarding Lejeune I believe permission was granted due to the risk of missing out on a release clause (these often have time restrictions) plus sensible assurances from Hanley and his representatives that he is looking for a new club. Similarly Manquillo replaces Anita. The club have long had a policy of not recruiting if their 25 places are full (it has been in the forum minutes and other interviews a number of times) Business was much easier to conduct last summer when a number of players demonstrated determination to leave. This year failure to shift players like Lazaar will prevent new arrivals, and it will be the players and agents (and those that were responsible for the signing) that will be blamed by the hierarchy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 So.. Colback - Jun 2019 Hanley - Jun 2021 Saivet - Jun 2021 Lazaar - Jun 2021 Murphy - Jun 2018 Krul - Jun 2018 Riviere - Jun 2020 Haidara - Jun 2018 So, if we can't sell them theirs a ton of dead wood earning millions, all using squad places. Can Colback be treat as dead wood when he's likely to be playing regularly at this rate. Very much alive, rotting wood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 I believe Murphy was only signed because it got confirmed that Gouffran was not going to sign that contract. Wat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gleebals Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 So.. Colback - Jun 2019 Hanley - Jun 2021 Saivet - Jun 2021 Lazaar - Jun 2021 Murphy - Jun 2018 Krul - Jun 2018 Riviere - Jun 2020 Haidara - Jun 2018 So, if we can't sell them theirs a ton of dead wood earning millions, all using squad places. This 5 year contract thing has to stop. Its pointless and is hurting us massively IMO. Get them in, prove themselves then replace the initial contract. Players of average quality, as many of these are, will bite your hand off for a 5 year deal knowing they can basically to nothing (or not improve) and they still get paid. Our recruitment over the last few years, aside the obvious winners, has been pretty shocking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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