TRon Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 I don't know how anyone can still think the championship is hard to get out of when even Sunderland coasted out of it last time they went down. Our squad is so much better than the rest in that division it isn't even a contest. Obviously the players will have to put the hard yards in, but guess what? We've got one of the best managers in the game to make sure they do just that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 i think your creativity in that league comes from the likes of aarons, perez, ritchie, gayle etc. with the obvious passing quality of shelvey to back it up as long as the players we have in the middle are able to compete physically and also help retain possession we'll be fine, which is why i'm so concerned about colback also want to see more of saivet, i liked the very little i saw of him and think he could displace the ginger buffoon if given a decent chance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Said this several times already but someone has to get them ball and in areas of the pitch where they can be effective without having to dribble 20 yards before you get close to the penalty area like Ben Arfa used to. Being physically competent and able to retain possession will be pointless, if the attacking players are forced to come really deep because our midfielders are not good enough to put them into positions where can cause problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Said this several times already but someone has to get them ball and in areas of the pitch where they can be effective without having to dribble 20 yards before you get close to the penalty area like Ben Arfa used to. Being physically competent and able to retain possession will be pointless, if the attacking players are forced to come really deep because our midfielders are not good enough to put them into positions where can cause problems. so what type of midfielder are you talking about then? considering we have shelvey in the squad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 What about Shelvey ? He's more than capable of picking out the passes to those areas. He just needs a decent partner alongside him in the mould of the Tiote of old. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Said this several times already but someone has to get them ball and in areas of the pitch where they can be effective without having to dribble 20 yards before you get close to the penalty area like Ben Arfa used to. Being physically competent and able to retain possession will be pointless, if the attacking players are forced to come really deep because our midfielders are not good enough to put them into positions where can cause problems. That can be achieved with good movement and this is where Rafa's coaching will come in. You can have the best dribblers in the world but it's not as effective as quick one touch passing and plenty of movement off the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Said this several times already but someone has to get them ball and in areas of the pitch where they can be effective without having to dribble 20 yards before you get close to the penalty area like Ben Arfa used to. Being physically competent and able to retain possession will be pointless, if the attacking players are forced to come really deep because our midfielders are not good enough to put them into positions where can cause problems. That can be achieved with good movement and this is where Rafa's coaching will come in. You can have the best dribblers in the world but it's not as effective as quick one touch passing and plenty of movement off the ball. exactly, i don't expect the team to stand around in the old rigid pardew table football style formations, good movement and quality on the ball will be enough in that division as long as we can win and retain the ball sufficiently Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Doubt there will be many better passers than Shelvey in the Championship Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Take it there no transfer rumours in the press today? Yeah, w're just shuffling the dregs about today. They've still not took the hint. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Doubt there will be many better passers than Shelvey in the Championship It's a real shame there's a shit load more to football than just passing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Not in the championship there isn't. Players with 1 good talent shine a lot more than they do in the Premiership. It's why shite like Adel Taarabt and Kevin Nolan have absolutely pissed it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoob Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 I'd forgotten Taarabt was a thing, currently playing for Benfica B according to Wikipedia Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elma Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 That can be achieved with good movement and this is where Rafa's coaching will come in. You can have the best dribblers in the world but it's not as effective as quick one touch passing and plenty of movement off the ball. That's true and it translates to any level. Bournemouth have proved that in the Premiership. No outstanding individuals but good passing and movement off the ball. Am a big fan of Eddie Howe and it was obvious from the early part of the season that they had enough to stay up. Had they not been crippled by injuries early on they would have finished even higher. Expect them to kick on next year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Said this several times already but someone has to get them ball and in areas of the pitch where they can be effective without having to dribble 20 yards before you get close to the penalty area like Ben Arfa used to. Being physically competent and able to retain possession will be pointless, if the attacking players are forced to come really deep because our midfielders are not good enough to put them into positions where can cause problems. so what type of midfielder are you talking about then? considering we have shelvey in the squad Shelvey by himself isn't enough, we need more than that. Same sort of type but hopefully someone who is better if not more consistent. Basically at the moment we are asking Shelvey to be the creative source from midfield all season long, we need more than just Shelvey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Said this several times already but someone has to get them ball and in areas of the pitch where they can be effective without having to dribble 20 yards before you get close to the penalty area like Ben Arfa used to. Being physically competent and able to retain possession will be pointless, if the attacking players are forced to come really deep because our midfielders are not good enough to put them into positions where can cause problems. so what type of midfielder are you talking about then? considering we have shelvey in the squad Shelvey by himself isn't enough, we need more than that. Same sort of type but hopefully someone who is better if not more consistent. Basically at the moment we are asking Shelvey to be the creative source from midfield all season long, we need more than just Shelvey. were danny drinkwater and kante particularly creative for Leicester last year out of interest? EDIT: more to the point if they indeed were getting good assists stats and so on would you have pegged either of them for it at the start? i'm with what Tron said like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 I think its pretty ridiculous to justify your arguments for us based on Leicester last year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 They were good enough and getting the ball forward to Mahrez and Vardy as quick as possible tbh, we don't have anyone like that or like those two really. Also based on the end of last season i doubt we are going to be playing anything like them for the comparison to be relevant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Joey Barton was one of the best midfielders in the Championship last season... anyone who thinks Shelvey and Colback aren't good enough to comfortably get us up at this level clearly doesn't watch the Championship that often. The hype of "it's a difficult league to get out of" is almost as bad as saying Allardyce is a relegation surviving king. Any team who has been relegated who are worth their salt has come straight back up, the only ones who don't are riddled with debt and/or lose their best players/majority of their team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 I think its pretty ridiculous to justify your arguments for us based on Leicester last year. how so? the discussion is that having 2 CM's that can compete physically and athletically with a decent level of competence technically and passing-wise would be more than enough presuming the rest of the team has good movement, but the lad is saying we need creative CM's i didn't watch every leicester game last year but what i did see was kante and drinkwater out running the opposition, winning the ball really well and distributing it effectively to players in a system that had good off the ball movement in a well-drilled system how is that ridiculous? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 They were good enough and getting the ball forward to Mahrez and Vardy as quick as possible tbh, we don't have anyone like that or like those two really. Also based on the end of last season i doubt we are going to be playing anything like them for the comparison to be relevant. Shelves is a great passer, if instructed to do so he can move the ball forward accurately and quickly at this level. He's also a goal threat at this level. Which midfielder of the likes from the championship last year do you have in mind? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Shelves was a typo btw, not a pet name Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Shelves is better at hold up play anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 They were good enough and getting the ball forward to Mahrez and Vardy as quick as possible tbh, we don't have anyone like that or like those two really. Also based on the end of last season i doubt we are going to be playing anything like them for the comparison to be relevant. Shelves is a great passer, if instructed to do so he can move the ball forward accurately and quickly at this level. He's also a goal threat at this level. Which midfielder of the likes from the championship last year do you have in mind? I'm not denying that he is, i'm saying that him alone isn't enough. If Shelvey got injured or loss form would you be comfortable with Tiote and Colback again? because i wouldn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 I think its pretty ridiculous to justify your arguments for us based on Leicester last year. how so? the discussion is that having 2 CM's that can compete physically and athletically with a decent level of competence technically and passing-wise would be more than enough presuming the rest of the team has good movement, but the lad is saying we need creative CM's i didn't watch every leicester game last year but what i did see was kante and drinkwater out running the opposition, winning the ball really well and distributing it effectively to players in a system that had good off the ball movement in a well-drilled system how is that ridiculous? David McCreery once of these parts, described his CM job as to win the ball and give it to someone else. The someone elses did the creating. Seemed to work well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 In that situation with Tiote and Colback/anita behind a very good front four, then yes I would. Shelveys injury record is pretty good anyway iirc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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