Seymour Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Sels- 4.5m, doesn't seem any better than Darlow Hanley - 5m,Isn't better than Lascellas or Mbemba Clark- 5m, Isn't better than Lascellas or Mbemba Gamez - 2m not really seem him play but would Rafa be picking Dummett over him if he was any good? Gayle -10m Whilst Mitrovic is suspended he's the best we've got but hes been poor so far Diame- 4.5m was poor yesterday but I think he will prove his worth Ritchie- 12m, our best player, is going to be very important for us this season We've spent around 40m and only Ritchie so far has improved the starting 11 It's been two games. Settle. It has yes, and losing two games doesn't mean we aren't getting promoted We've wasted money though, improved the squad and not the starting 11. When you pay 10m for a striker in the championship then you shouldn't be desperate for another striker We're not desperate for another striker, Mitrovic is coming back. We have looked poor up front in first two games, Gayle has struggled. We've spent 10m on a striker, we shouldn't be having to wait for Mitrovic to come back from suspension Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Before yesterday I don't recall anyone saying they weren't happy with our recruitment to that point. In fact it was quite the opposite. Classic knee-jerking shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 I don't know, like. I think given what we've seen it's clear that there are areas that need to be addressed. A left back and a central midfielder should have been first through the door. We've been short of quality in these areas long before Rafa arrived. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 In addition, I think a loan for an Everton reserve is hardly a long term solution the LB problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 In addition, I think a loan for an Everton reserve is hardly a long term solution the LB problem. True - may help us get promoted though which is a fairly important objective Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 The left back problem should have been sorted before now like. Dummet is a CB and he is not good enough with the ball to play at full back. He looks genuinely surprised when he controls the ball ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Dummett's a LB, just not very good at it. No more of a centre-back than what James Perch was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 The left back problem should have been sorted before now like. Dummet is a CB and he is not good enough with the ball to play at full back. He looks genuinely surprised when he controls the ball ffs. not as surprised as the crowd when he put in that cracking cross for ritchie - that shocked everyone!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 The left back problem should have been sorted before now like. Dummet is a CB and he is not good enough with the ball to play at full back. He looks genuinely surprised when he controls the ball ffs. not as surprised as the crowd when he put in that cracking cross for ritchie - that shocked everyone!!! His 'Danny Simpson - Benfica away' moment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Before yesterday I don't recall anyone saying they weren't happy with our recruitment to that point. In fact it was quite the opposite. Classic knee-jerking s****. Precisely. Writing gayle off after two games is as stupid as it gets tbh. No, hang on, writing Clark off before we've even seen him is more stupid. It's two games, hasn't been great, but we've got one of the best managers in Europe to sort it out. Everyone chill the fuck out and stop pretending you've seen enough of the likes of grant Hanley, sels and ciaran Clark etc to qualify questioning the recruitment at this stage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wullie Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Where the fuck is Haidara? It's the wide forward areas that are the biggest concern for me I think. We've got neither the numbers nor the quality required. At least we've got Mitrovic to come back up front, Perez who we know is better than he's showing at the moment, and Armstrong who pissed it one division lower before getting out of his teens. Out wide, other than Ritchie, we're hanging our hat on Aarons a) stepping it up considerably and b) staying fit, then behind him it's Yoan Gouffran and Sammy Ameobi. It's a massive problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Where the f*** is Haidara? It's the wide forward areas that are the biggest concern for me I think. We've got neither the numbers nor the quality required. At least we've got Mitrovic to come back up front, and Perez who we know is better than he's showing at the moment, and Armstrong who p*ssed it one division lower before getting out of his teens. Out wide, other than Ritchie, we're hanging our hat on Aarons a) stepping it up considerably and b) staying fit, then behind him it's Yoan Gouffran and Sammy Ameobi. It's a massive problem. Agreed. We've got to bring wide men in. Have a feeling we will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 After initial optimism, I don't think there's any way we'll get what we need between now and the end of the window. Having seen the deficiencies in the squad over the past couple of weeks, there are simply too many holes to fill to make us competitive given the strides some of our promotion rivals have made recently. I don't mean to call you out because you're far from the only one, but are you all this negative with other things in life? If so, there's a lot of miserable bastards on here. It's two games, we still have one of the best squads in the league, we probably will get at least one more in, and we have the best manager in the league by some distance. We may not walk the league like everyone thought, but we have 44 games to go. Let's all calm down a bit and have a little faith in the first quality manager we've had in over a decade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 After initial optimism, I don't think there's any way we'll get what we need between now and the end of the window. Having seen the deficiencies in the squad over the past couple of weeks, there are simply too many holes to fill to make us competitive given the strides some of our promotion rivals have made recently. I don't mean to call you out because you're far from the only one, but are you all this negative with other things in life? If so, there's a lot of miserable b******s on here. It's two games, we still have one of the best squads in the league, we probably will get at least one more in, and we have the best manager in the league by some distance. We may not walk the league like everyone thought, but we have 44 games to go. Let's all calm down a bit and have a little faith in the first quality manager we've had in over a decade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 After initial optimism, I don't think there's any way we'll get what we need between now and the end of the window. Having seen the deficiencies in the squad over the past couple of weeks, there are simply too many holes to fill to make us competitive given the strides some of our promotion rivals have made recently. I don't mean to call you out because you're far from the only one, but are you all this negative with other things in life? If so, there's a lot of miserable bastards on here. It's two games, we still have one of the best squads in the league, we probably will get at least one more in, and we have the best manager in the league by some distance. We may not walk the league like everyone thought, but we have 44 games to go. Let's all calm down a bit and have a little faith in the first quality manager we've had in over a decade. Not at all. I'm frustrated because we're not playing well, and I continue to see the problems popping up in the same areas. I've not once questioned the ability of players brought in. Of course they need time to gel. What I'm saying is that I don't think there have been efforts to address the weaknesses in the 2 positions we've known have been problematic for nigh on 3 years. I don't think this is negativity; we're short in key areas that haven't been addressed yet. I hope to be proven wrong, but time is ticking and I worry that we'll be left short of quality to mount a strong challenge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 After initial optimism, I don't think there's any way we'll get what we need between now and the end of the window. Having seen the deficiencies in the squad over the past couple of weeks, there are simply too many holes to fill to make us competitive given the strides some of our promotion rivals have made recently. I don't mean to call you out because you're far from the only one, but are you all this negative with other things in life? If so, there's a lot of miserable bastards on here. It's two games, we still have one of the best squads in the league, we probably will get at least one more in, and we have the best manager in the league by some distance. We may not walk the league like everyone thought, but we have 44 games to go. Let's all calm down a bit and have a little faith in the first quality manager we've had in over a decade. Not at all. I'm frustrated because we're not playing well, and I continue to see the problems popping up in the same areas. I've not once questioned the ability of players brought in. Of course they need time to gel. What I'm saying is that I don't think there have been efforts to address the weaknesses in the 2 positions we've known have been problematic for nigh on 3 years. I don't think this is negativity; we're short in key areas that haven't been addressed yet. I hope to be proven wrong, but time is ticking and I worry that we'll be left short of quality to mount a strong challenge. I agree with all of that. I do agree people are bed wetting far too much, however some people who are bringing up the legitimate concerns we have already should be allowed to do so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Where the fuck is Haidara? It's the wide forward areas that are the biggest concern for me I think. We've got neither the numbers nor the quality required. At least we've got Mitrovic to come back up front, Perez who we know is better than he's showing at the moment, and Armstrong who pissed it one division lower before getting out of his teens. Out wide, other than Ritchie, we're hanging our hat on Aarons a) stepping it up considerably and b) staying fit, then behind him it's Yoan Gouffran and Sammy Ameobi. It's a massive problem. Was just thinking the same thing reading through the thread. We're playing Vurnon Anita on the right wing, that alone tells you we need some quality reinforcements there. In terms of priorities I think that's number one at the moment. We have Mitro and SDJ (maybe) coming back so there's not so much pressure for a striker although a quality addition would be nice. Left back we need an upgrade also but I think that if we're not going to play Sissoko or Tiote we really need to get a decent CM before that. The main thing for me is that we buy quality players now. No more squad fillers, we need some real talent now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 If you're serious about winning the league, you have to overspend sometimes to get in the players you really need. I don't think Rafa will be that pleased with our business so far to be honest. He's been tasked with winning the division yet his bosses are making a profit from his squad and we're clearly failing to get targets in. Knockaert looks exactly what we need and we should be going all out to get him, as well as another winger. Overpaying by a few million is better than paying a bit less for someone who isn't good enough. Teams that win things tend to operate this way and don't mind overpaying a bit to get their man. Players proven in England always come at a premium, as do players from division rivals. They cost money but also offer a greater guarantee of success. Ritchie has been an excellent example of that so far. You can bet Rafa's other targets are also ambitious deals for proven talent that will improve the first XI, yet other than Ritchie and Diame we have failed to bring any in. Rafa negotiated his contract at length and you can be sure recruitment would have been at the top of the agenda. You get the impression we're waiting for the Sissoko money to do any major deals. If we fuck this up, as we have done in previous years, don't be surprised to see him pack his bags a la Keegan. The next two weeks are massive. Hopefully these results have served as a wake-up call for the board. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubestationatmidnight Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Soon as I seen that 35m price for Sissoko I feared this would happen. We would be stuck with him despite seemingly needing to sell him to fund signings Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Soon as I seen that 35m price for Sissoko I feared this would happen. We would be stuck with him despite seemingly needing to sell him to fund signings TBH we wont find a better player in the Championship than him, so if he stays I hope he gives his all, because he'd run riot in this league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Dancer Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Soon as I seen that 35m price for Sissoko I feared this would happen. We would be stuck with him despite seemingly needing to sell him to fund signings I wish you would bore off like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 I'd like to see us buy a genuine top quality player as a statement. Preferably a creative/flair player as we're severely lacking in someone who sees the game differently. Would love us to sign a left back capable of doing something in the final third too. Whilst I've not been blown away by the initial showings of Gayle, I'm not massively concerned with the forwards and think that if we can sort the midfield out, we should have no problems in scoring goals. Midfield just isn't functioning at all at the moment. Hardly a surprise when there are so many average players to pick from, especially in the middle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NobbyOhNobby Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 I'd like to see us buy a genuine top quality player as a statement. Preferably a creative/flair player as we're severely lacking in someone who sees the game differently. Would love us to sign a left back capable of doing something in the final third too. Whilst I've not been blown away by the initial showings of Gayle, I'm not massively concerned with the forwards and think that if we can sort the midfield out, we should have no problems in scoring goals. Midfield just isn't functioning at all at the moment. Hardly a surprise when there are so many average players to pick from, especially in the middle. Should've signed Pogba, and probably one of them german full-backs from the euros. Can't believe we weren't in for Higuain either - no ambition Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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