bowlingcrofty Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Get the money in, get him off the books and move on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 He has the capability of scoring 15-20 goals in France. If he does that given his potential before he signed for us, big clubs in Italy, etc would be looking at him. Take the 15 and insert a high sell on clause. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 20 million Euros is about 19 million too much for him. He's utter shit. Happy days if we get 15 million tbh. I'm no big fan either but at least he can wear a shirt, unlike a sack of cash. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Sissoko, wijnaldum,townsend,jaanmat I already said Townsend. Sissoko and Janmaat were absolute donkey shit that season. Wijnaldum scored goals, but was a dead weight away from home. Look at the players we've gained since then vs the ones you just mentioned. Reputations aside I'd prefer the likes of Ritchie and Gayle. Still there's absolutely no excuse for not improving the squad further. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Sissoko, wijnaldum,townsend,jaanmat I already said Townsend. Sissoko and Janmaat were absolute donkey shit that season. Wijnaldum scored goals, but was a dead weight away from home. Look at the players we've gained since then vs the ones you just mentioned. Reputations aside I'd prefer the likes of Ritchie and Gayle. Not getting into another argument about it but the way Sissoko played as a 10 under Rafa is a big improvement on what we have in that position at the moment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 He has the capability of scoring 15-20 goals in France. If he does that given his potential before he signed for us, big clubs in Italy, etc would be looking at him. Take the 15 and insert a high sell on clause. our barrowboy mentality can't comprehend such things man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 20 million Euros is about 19 million too much for him. He's utter shit. Happy days if we get 15 million tbh. I'm no big fan either but at least he can wear a shirt, unlike a sack of cash. We'll doubtless get the money in installments so we can't/won't even spend much of it anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 This window's been fucking awful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Still expecting business to be done late and another 4/5 incomings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Still expecting business to be done late and another 4/5 incomings. Is that an opinion, or have you read some info on it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Still expecting business to be done late and another 4/5 incomings. It's whether they are Rafa's first or even second choices though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Didnt help Wijnaldum was only any good at home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 You wouldn't think the transfer window was even open with the total lack of any links to read about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsley Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Allan from Napoli - https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/4091926/newcastle-allan-southampton-west-brom-napoli/ Am I right in thinking he's quite decent? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 This window's been f***ing awful. 37 days to go Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Shittest Brazilian name ever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Allan from Napoli - https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/4091926/newcastle-allan-southampton-west-brom-napoli/ Am I right in thinking he's quite decent? Started most of Napoli's games last year. Couldn't tell you if he's any good though. Watford will be in for him you'd imagine as he has Pozzo history. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenige Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Allan from Napoli - https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/4091926/newcastle-allan-southampton-west-brom-napoli/ Am I right in thinking he's quite decent? Yeah he is, sadly which would mean it's unlikely he'd move here. Not the biggest but wins the ball a lot in the middle. Hell of an upgrade of Wor Jack. Think he signed just after Rafa left Napoli as well, so not even like it's because he played under him before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 It's a tough one. In terms of quality we're massively underprepared and understaffed for the upcoming season and Rafa should rightly be frustrated about that, but on the other hand there's just absolutely no value to be had. James McCarthy for £25million for f***s sake. Hernandez could have been decent value at £19million, but his wages would see us shattering our wage ceiling I'd imagine. So we're left trying to pick up players that have promise, rather than those who are already established, which is always going to look unambitious and underwhelming. I love Rafa to bits, and he is undoubtedly the best thing to happen to this club in 15 years, but being sensible he must see that paying £25million for a bang average James McCarthy isn't a good use of money. There needs to be a conversation whereby everyone is made aware of what the true aim is... if Rafa is expecting to splash £25million on a player whereas the club would prefer to gamble on young players with potential (like Murphy), then that needs to be ironed out, because I can't be arsed to read every few days about Rafa being p*ssed off about this or that. Everyone needs to be on the same page. Thing is - I think there is value to be had. Had a look at https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/saisontransfers and there are some decent value transfers that have gone through (admittedly for a few of these, I'm going off reputation rather than having watched them extensively and some would be unobtainable due to the club they moved to being more attractive than us or work permit issues): Driussi - 12.5m Karsdorp - 11.9m Semedo - 11.9m Enes Unal - 11.9m Konoplyanka - 10.6m Dahoud - 10.2m Ounas - 8.5m Bertrand Traore - 8.5m Riedewald - 7.65m Robertson 7.65m Germain - 6.8m Gnabry - 6.8m Lozano - 6.8m Haller - 5.95m Chalobah - 4.85m Gonalons - 4.25m Willems - 4.25m Most of those guys would improve us and they aren't extortionate fees in today's market. And there are a fair few I've missed off the list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 It's a tough one. In terms of quality we're massively underprepared and understaffed for the upcoming season and Rafa should rightly be frustrated about that, but on the other hand there's just absolutely no value to be had. James McCarthy for £25million for f***s sake. Hernandez could have been decent value at £19million, but his wages would see us shattering our wage ceiling I'd imagine. So we're left trying to pick up players that have promise, rather than those who are already established, which is always going to look unambitious and underwhelming. I love Rafa to bits, and he is undoubtedly the best thing to happen to this club in 15 years, but being sensible he must see that paying £25million for a bang average James McCarthy isn't a good use of money. There needs to be a conversation whereby everyone is made aware of what the true aim is... if Rafa is expecting to splash £25million on a player whereas the club would prefer to gamble on young players with potential (like Murphy), then that needs to be ironed out, because I can't be arsed to read every few days about Rafa being p*ssed off about this or that. Everyone needs to be on the same page. Thing is - I think there is value to be had. Had a look at https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/saisontransfers and there are some decent value transfers that have gone through (admittedly for a few of these, I'm going off reputation rather than having watched them extensively and some would be unobtainable due to the club they moved to being more attractive than us or work permit issues): Driussi - 12.5m Karsdorp - 11.9m Semedo - 11.9m Enes Unal - 11.9m Konoplyanka - 10.6m Dahoud - 10.2m Ounas - 8.5m Bertrand Traore - 8.5m Riedewald - 7.65m Robertson 7.65m Germain - 6.8m Gnabry - 6.8m Lozano - 6.8m Haller - 5.95m Chalobah - 4.85m Gonalons - 4.25m Willems - 4.25m Most of those guys would improve us and they aren't extortionate fees in today's market. And there are a fair few I've missed off the list. Fair play, but their transfer fees are not exactly rock solid. They still have Murphy at £850k - https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jacob-murphy/profil/spieler/199527 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Shittest Brazilian name ever. Types Alan Brazil into Google, whoah what the fuck is that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Yeah most of those players would probably cost triple what transfermarkt says. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 There probably is a bit of room for error on the transfer fees, but the market value thing is a different concept. The Murphy page refers to his value as being 850k, but his fee being 9.5m. Most of those fees I've listed are in line with what has been reported. I think.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberts Mustache Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Allan from Napoli - https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/4091926/newcastle-allan-southampton-west-brom-napoli/ Am I right in thinking he's quite decent? Want! Tackling machine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 So we sold our fringe striker for 16m, and get in a striker from Lique 1 for 5m. And this guy just score 10 goals last season. If you don't think this is a huge step towards the championship, you need a brain check. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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