LRD Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Unfortunately that much needed GK isn't coming in by the looks of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 I wonder if Kenedy could be our number 10. It's as good a guess as any at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 That's why we cannot sell Mitrovic at this moment. Normally to break team down, the options are counter attack, magic plays or aerial threat. We have pacy wingers and striker (Atsu, Gayle), we don't have magicians (like HBA), so we still need some aerial threat. Mitrovic is decent, and let's hope Joselu is even better at this. In the end, what we need most is a bunch of players that can 100% carried out our manager's plan. Rafa is our best weapon. As long as we have players who listen to Rafa, and able to carried out the tactics on pitch (as shown vs Spurs), we are a mid table team. We are much better than when we relegate, as a team, not as individual. Mitro is not "decent" in the air, like. Is everyone else in the squad just horrendous in the air then?, because he's our best in that department offensively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Unfortunately that much needed GK isn't coming in by the looks of it. The most inexcusable one. Unlike any outfield positions we could find a first choice keeper for 5m or less. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 If we sign Kenedy on loan I think that'll be it tbh. A couple of our unwanted players will probably go out on loan late on when clubs get desperate. Certainly can't see anything else significant happening now. Think it will be enough? Probably. Nothing more than that though. Basically we've rejoined the gravy train and all that matters is that we stay on it and collect the money, like most of the clubs in the league. There's clearly no ambition to do any more than the bare minimum for the smallest cost possible. Which I guess we already knew, but suppose I hoped things might be different this time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 DM? More CM than DM tbh, which was highlighted further with Shelvey being a moron. Hmm, I think we need a DM just to sit in there. I think we are quite solid defensively tbh, real issue is we lack any sort of creation in front. Even before Shelvey decided to be an utter melt, it was an issue that needs addressing. I wouldn't say no to a solid DM mind, i just think we have more pressing concerns. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 If we sign Kenedy on loan I think that'll be it tbh. A couple of our unwanted players will probably go out on loan late on when clubs get desperate. Certainly can't see anything else significant happening now. Think it will be enough? Probably. Nothing more than that though. Basically we've rejoined the gravy train and all that matters is that we stay on it and collect the money, like most of the clubs in the league. There's clearly no ambition to do any more than the bare minimum for the smallest cost possible. Which I guess we already knew, but suppose I hoped things might be different this time. They're not very good at guessing what the minimal cost is to stay on board. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Rather than looking at the manager we've somehow got and kept (and the momentum we built last season) and giving him the funds to actually try and progress the club, they're relying on him being good enough to do it for them on a pittance. They know he likes it here and have used past experience to tie him into a bulletproof contract to make it very difficult for him to walk out. They've been as deceitful as ever in private and in public, knowing that the fans don't want to revolt as they have in recent times. They've done absolutely nothing to allay fears of him walking all summer because it suits them nicely to keep the fans worried about upsetting the apple cart and arguing amongst themselves about 'being negative'. Genius when you think about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 I reckon it could be the wage bill holding us up. We've got a large number of players drawing salaries who aren't needed, won't be used and have no future at the club. We'll maybe see some more movement once we've shifted a few of them. Krul, Saivet, Colback, Haidara and Riviere would be about £8.5m a year going off reports. I'm the same. They've previously booked the lines between wages and fees so wouldn't surprise me if the wage bill being 'full' was the major hold on any further incomings because just as fees have shot up so have wages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Couldn't have said it better, Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Basically exploiting the fact we have a good manager rather than embracing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Basically exploiting the fact we have a good manager rather than embracing it. The best part of it is that if things don't go well this season people will say 'Rafa isn't actually that good' or 'they were right not to let him waste too much money'. We've already seen it with the criticism of the signings of Sels amongst others. All designed to take the heat off them and load it onto others. See January for ultimate proof of this, Rafa wanted reinforcements to guarantee promotion and lead nicely into this season. They lied to him and fucked him over* but we won the league anyway, so people say they were right to hold back. Had we not won the league, people would have said Rafa failed. If we actually do well this season I'm sure people will say they were right to be careful with the funds. I'll be happy and wonder what might have been. *We're supposed to forget where the funds we didn't spend in January have gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Our ownership & genius. Two words that don't feel like they belong together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Our ownership & genius. Two words that don't feel like they belong together. You've got to admit it takes something special to make as many fuckups as they have and end up in the Premier League with Rafael Benitez at the helm and record season ticket sales. Genius is probably the wrong word. Let's just say I think a lot of what goes on is very devious and calculated. Something they were forced to admit to in the Keegan tribunal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Basically exploiting the fact we have a good manager rather than embracing it. The best part of it is that if things don't go well this season people will say 'Rafa isn't actually that good' or 'they were right not to let him waste too much money'. We've already seen it with the criticism of the signings of Sels amongst others. All designed to take the heat off them and load it onto others. See January for ultimate proof of this, Rafa wanted reinforcements to guarantee promotion and lead nicely into this season. They lied to him and fucked him over* but we won the league anyway, so people say they were right to hold back. Had we not won the league, people would have said Rafa failed. If we actually do well this season I'm sure people will say they were right to be careful with the funds. I'll be happy and wonder what might have been. *We're supposed to forget where the funds we didn't spend in January have gone. We had a £40m transfer deficit back then too, which has vanished since Ashley said Rafa could have everything the club generates. I can only assume that back in January they were counting the transfer for Sissoko, Thauvin, Gini etc as money we had, but now they've decided to count is as money we'll eventually have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Our ownership & genius. Two words that don't feel like they belong together. You've got to admit it takes something special to make as many fuckups as they have and end up in the Premier League with Rafael Benitez at the helm and record season ticket sales. Yeah that's true. And that something is a bit "special" and very gullible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankles Bennett Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Fulham have signed Sheyi Ojo from Liverpool season long loan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Is this the year that we'll be a feature on Sky's transfer deadline frenzy??? Naaaaahh... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Is this the year that we'll be a feature on Sky's transfer deadline frenzy??? Naaaaahh... Outgoings hopefully Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 If we sign Kenedy on loan I think that'll be it tbh. A couple of our unwanted players will probably go out on loan late on when clubs get desperate. Certainly can't see anything else significant happening now. Think it will be enough? Probably. Nothing more than that though. Basically we've rejoined the gravy train and all that matters is that we stay on it and collect the money, like most of the clubs in the league. There's clearly no ambition to do any more than the bare minimum for the smallest cost possible. Which I guess we already knew, but suppose I hoped things might be different this time. They had me fooled I must admit. I thought finally signing a world class manager meant they were going to at least show some ambition, turns out that will probably be the biggest con of all. Rafa will be going through Keegan's experience now and thinking it's not like the brochure. Anyway, I suppose there's still a chance that we could build on it in a year's time once we've got a season's TV money behind us, but watching Ashley lie his way through that interview, I don't really believe it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 If we sign Kenedy on loan I think that'll be it tbh. A couple of our unwanted players will probably go out on loan late on when clubs get desperate. Certainly can't see anything else significant happening now. Think it will be enough? Probably. Nothing more than that though. Basically we've rejoined the gravy train and all that matters is that we stay on it and collect the money, like most of the clubs in the league. There's clearly no ambition to do any more than the bare minimum for the smallest cost possible. Which I guess we already knew, but suppose I hoped things might be different this time. They had me fooled I must admit. I thought finally signing a world class manager meant they were going to at least show some ambition, turns out that will probably be the biggest con of all. Rafa will be going through Keegan's experience now and thinking it's not like the brochure. Anyway, I suppose there's still a chance that we could build on it in a year's time once we've got a season's TV money behind us, but watching Ashley lie his way through that interview, I don't really believe it. I think that too, I actually believe the club does spend what it generates on transfers and I don't think it's been money for transfers that has costs us this year but Moreso wages and having a top heavy squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Profit that is of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Is this the year that we'll be a feature on Sky's transfer deadline frenzy??? Naaaaahh... Spurs slowly constructing a trebuchet behind David Craig and attempting to launch him back into St James. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 I assume that it'll be quiet now for a while (until too late) apart from some planning, pondering, considering and so on.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Benitez on transfers: "If you can kick the ball forward, they will ask for £10million. If you put the ball in the net, it’s £20million" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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