mrmojorisin75 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Would feel somewhat underwhelmed if it's Gameiro really. Was hoping Rafa had a rabbit under his hat. Does Gameiro still have the pace? Not seen him play for years. He's literally the best striker we could realistically get at this stage IMO This stage is probably the worst one for someone like him to come into tbh. Unknown quantity in English football and would have to hit the ground running. Bringing him in the summer would have been a much better idea. Fwiw I absolutely wouldn't turn my nose up at Gameiro like. Just has the stink of getting ageing cast offs to me but I suppose that's where we are in the world. Anyway it's not him so it's moot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Whist there's no argument about his dodgy nappa, how people can argue that he`s not a top midfielder is beyond me. What has he done to prove he's a 'top midfielder'? No goals, no assists this season. Poor physically, poor workrate, can't tackle, can't dribble, can't shoot, shite set pieces, doesn't get into the box. Short passing game is poor, regularly plays the wrong pass. The only attribute he has, is the odd spectacular pass - which so far has managed to create one goal this season against Liverpool. The idea that he's a 'top midfielder' is beyond insane. He's dreadfully limited. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Shelvey's replacement is already in the team, considering he's taking game time that should be going to Merino. If we do sell him I'd rather he be replaced by a more offensive minded midfielder. Obviously I don't trust the club to sell him and get a replacement though so I'd rather he stay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Why would Bournemouth sell Wilson to us though?, given the fact they're fucked at the moment and one of the hopes they have for turning it around is getting Wilson back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Whist there's no argument about his dodgy nappa, how people can argue that he`s not a top midfielder is beyond me. What has he done to prove he's a 'top midfielder'? No goals, no assists this season. Poor physically, poor workrate, can't tackle, can't dribble, can't shoot, shite set pieces, doesn't get into the box. Short passing game is poor, regularly plays the wrong pass. The only attribute he has, is the odd spectacular pass - which so far has managed to create one goal this season against Liverpool. The idea that he's a 'top midfielder' is beyond insane. Agree with this. Think I said not long back if we can flog him for £12m and Rafa gets that £12m to spend on a direct replacement (or whatever he wants really) then I'd have put him on the train 1st January personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 I think it's a shame if true, some may laugh, but imo he's one of the best passers of a ball in the league; and whilst his stats aren't anything special, his contribution in launching attacks for us will be a huge miss and is possibly being underestimated by those happy to see him the back of him. While I can understand why people haven't warmed to him -it's hard to like a guy who looks like a parody Bond villain who sneers at children- I really don't understand why people don't rate Shelvey. He's an extremely effective passer of the ball with a wand for a foot and one of only 2 or 3 (and I'm being generous) Newcastle players who has the ability to create genuine goal scoring opportunities out of nothing. He also seems to have a certain intelligence to his passing, he can see things on the pitch that not many of our players can. He may not be massively suited to playing in 2 man midfield and yes he's had a couple of silly reds this season but the way people seem to rave about Merino while undervaluing Shelvey is quite an absurd phenomenon on this forum. 12m is pennies on the dollar for him, it really is. Merino has looked sloppy in possession at times, but he looks like a complete midfielder, especially given a season to get used to the pace of the game. His movement is good in both directions. Shelvey is fine playing at his own pace, but it's way off Premier league level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heake Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Whist there's no argument about his dodgy nappa, how people can argue that he`s not a top midfielder is beyond me. What has he done to prove he's a 'top midfielder'? No goals, no assists this season. Poor physically, poor workrate, can't tackle, can't dribble, can't shoot, s**** set pieces, doesn't get into the box. Short passing game is poor, regularly plays the wrong pass. The only attribute he has, is the odd spectacular pass - which so far has managed to create one goal this season against Liverpool. The idea that he's a 'top midfielder' is beyond insane. He's dreadfully limited. When he plays, he`s a threat, I`ll grant you his defensive game isn't the best & when he doesn't start, that's usually why. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Good luck getting a midfielder half as good as Shelvey for £12m, like. I don't even particularly like him, it's the fee that I have a problem with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Shelvey isn't a deep-lying CM in my opinion. He should be playing in a more advanced position but he lacks the athleticism and desire to be effective. He's blessed with a ton of talent he can't really use. If we can swindle WH out of anything north of 18M it would be a good deal. Great deal if we can replace with someone more effective to us in this side (even if less talented than Shelvey). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Whist there's no argument about his dodgy nappa, how people can argue that he`s not a top midfielder is beyond me. What has he done to prove he's a 'top midfielder'? No goals, no assists this season. Poor physically, poor workrate, can't tackle, can't dribble, can't shoot, s**** set pieces, doesn't get into the box. Short passing game is poor, regularly plays the wrong pass. The only attribute he has, is the odd spectacular pass - which so far has managed to create one goal this season against Liverpool. The idea that he's a 'top midfielder' is beyond insane. He's dreadfully limited. When he plays, he`s a threat, I`ll grant you his defensive game isn't the best & when he doesn't start, that's usually why. If he goes I think you'll find it'll be two combative midfielders at all times and a pacier three behind the striker. Solid platform and let a front 4 create for themselves. Besides if Merino is fit enough he'll provide as many key chance passes as Shelvey imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Shelvey isn't a deep-lying CM in my opinion. He should be playing in a more advanced position but he lacks the athleticism and desire to be effective. He's blessed with a ton of talent he can't really use. If we can swindle WH out of anything north of 18M it would be a good deal. Great deal if we can replace with someone more effective to us in this side (even if less talented than Shelvey). He doesn't have the agility to play further forward, which is why it's never really happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Callum Wilson went to school with my stepson. Family live 400 yards from me. Married to a girl that went my school. Stacey, she's a dime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Shelvey isn't a deep-lying CM in my opinion. He should be playing in a more advanced position but he lacks the athleticism and desire to be effective. He's blessed with a ton of talent he can't really use. If we can swindle WH out of anything north of 18M it would be a good deal. Great deal if we can replace with someone more effective to us in this side (even if less talented than Shelvey). He doesn't have the agility to play further forward, which is why it's never really happened. Yes exactly, which is why he'll never fulfil his true potential. He'll always float around bottom-midtable clubs pumping hollywood balls until he got sussed out - rinse and repeat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heake Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Whist there's no argument about his dodgy nappa, how people can argue that he`s not a top midfielder is beyond me. What has he done to prove he's a 'top midfielder'? No goals, no assists this season. Poor physically, poor workrate, can't tackle, can't dribble, can't shoot, s**** set pieces, doesn't get into the box. Short passing game is poor, regularly plays the wrong pass. The only attribute he has, is the odd spectacular pass - which so far has managed to create one goal this season against Liverpool. The idea that he's a 'top midfielder' is beyond insane. He's dreadfully limited. When he plays, he`s a threat, I`ll grant you his defensive game isn't the best & when he doesn't start, that's usually why. If he goes I think you'll find it'll be two combative midfielders at all times and a pacier three behind the striker. Solid platform and let a front 4 create for themselves. Besides if Merino is fit enough he'll provide as many key chance passes as Shelvey imo. I`ll go with that...but would you be confident about opening up a premier league midfield /defence (Other than hoofing it) if Merino gets a knock? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Whist there's no argument about his dodgy nappa, how people can argue that he`s not a top midfielder is beyond me. What has he done to prove he's a 'top midfielder'? No goals, no assists this season. Poor physically, poor workrate, can't tackle, can't dribble, can't shoot, s**** set pieces, doesn't get into the box. Short passing game is poor, regularly plays the wrong pass. The only attribute he has, is the odd spectacular pass - which so far has managed to create one goal this season against Liverpool. The idea that he's a 'top midfielder' is beyond insane. He's dreadfully limited. When he plays, he`s a threat, I`ll grant you his defensive game isn't the best & when he doesn't start, that's usually why. If he goes I think you'll find it'll be two combative midfielders at all times and a pacier three behind the striker. Solid platform and let a front 4 create for themselves. Besides if Merino is fit enough he'll provide as many key chance passes as Shelvey imo. I`ll go with that...but would you be confident about opening up a premier league midfield /defence (Other than hoofing it) if Merino gets a knock? No, but I'm not now and stats suggest Shelvey isn't great at it anyway :/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Not really arsed about Shelvey going if it enables us to get a striker, he's been rubbish this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 A good passer of the ball for me is someone economical and effective with it. Shelvey is neither and needs time and space to do his thing anyway which is rare in this league. Basically the game we play and the league we play in demands more from him, but he doesn’t have the right tools to provide what we need. I actually think Shelvey would shine in another league, somewhere like Serie A or La Liga where he can get the time and space and where he won’t be required to get up and down as much. His attributes are his passing range and I trust no-one more than him in our current team to play that inch perfect through ball or to see that kind of run and attempt to play that ball. But those opportunities and moments are few and far between to the point where you have to ask whether he can bring more to the team outside of that and the answer is simply no as he demonstrates whenever he plays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odear Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Apart from our season in the Championship, Shelvey has never been in an NUFC side that's been on the front foot and dictating play. I'm probably his biggest critic as he offers no protection to the team, which is frustrating because he's a big lad, he could easily impose himself in the middle if he had the mindset. But to give stats about his assists or goals in "this" team is stupid. If we were bossing a midfield and giving him the ball in places where he could hurt teams we'd be seeing a different player. He does all of his idiotic stuff when we're defending, which is between 55-80% of matches these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Basically he's a talented player but there's no position or role in the modern game which really takes advantage of his skill set without being a detriment in some way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 He’s a luxury player. I’ve thought about playing him more advanced, but he lacks the quick feet and more importantly quick witted thinking to move and operate in that kind of role to be effective. He’d look as gormless as his facial expressions... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 You all seem to be comparing him with what you view as a good midfielder, rather than the reality of our situation, the alternatives we have, or the alternatives we're likely to get with a measley £12m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Selling Shelvey for 12 mil will mean we'll have to go forrin. Surely we can find a semi-decent box-to-box midfielder for somewhere near 15 mil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenige Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Good luck getting a midfielder half as good as Shelvey for £12m, like. I don't even particularly like him, it's the fee that I have a problem with. Yeah have to agree with this. £12m seems pittance in the current market, (which in itself is crazy) and the chances of us finding and getting a replacement for around that amount seem pretty slim. Especially given our transfer history. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 You all seem to be comparing him with what you view as a good midfielder, rather than the reality of our situation, the alternatives we have, or the alternatives we're likely to get with a measley £12m. Hayden and Diame bring more to the table which is actually quite sad given their own limitations. They can’t pass the ball about like Shelvey, but they get stuck in more, have more stamina, even Diame, and seem to get forward more or more towards the oppsotion box than Shelvey. Merino is by far the better all-round player as well. It’s a shame because I rated him and was happy for us to sign him, but then I only ever saw him periodically for Swansea and anyone can look good in match of the day... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 You all seem to be comparing him with what you view as a good midfielder, rather than the reality of our situation, the alternatives we have, or the alternatives we're likely to get with a measley £12m. I did say I wouldn't sell him because the likelihood is we'll not replace him tbf. Just a general discussion about Shelvey that's going on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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