Yorkie Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Hopeless defending. Manquillo's been pants. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizza Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 2-1, oh well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 At least it's not York City or MLS reserve sides on baseball pitches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 I know it's only a friendly but this team is going to really struggle next year so many poor players in that squad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 pressing, but not exactly pushing ourselves, maybe being careful incase of pre-season injuries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Good runout, tbh. Hot conditions, top division team, high pressers, they've switched shape and styles a couple of times, as have we. So glad we've brought another CM in, like, Colback and Diame were so tragic defensively. Mind, Hayden and Shelvey didn't do much better for the second. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Same old problems we saw for the last 12 months. Midfielders going AWOL and strikers who make Andreas Andersson look lethal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 If we are going to be playing a three with Hayden and Merino with Shelvey in front, then we really need to sign another CM. as soon as Colback or Diame come into that team, we will struggle to pick up points, they are both that bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Also still a big concern over our strikers, hardly any goals in our squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Same old problems we saw for the last 12 months. Midfielders going AWOL and strikers who make Andreas Andersson look lethal. I know Rafa loves the 4-2-3-1 but for a formation with two holding midfielders it offers hardly any cover in front of the back 4. I hate the fucking system, it's awful. Obviously it'll be better with better players but i'm never going to really like it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Same old problems we saw for the last 12 months. Midfielders going AWOL and strikers who make Andreas Andersson look lethal. 100 times this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Same old problems we saw for the last 12 months. Midfielders going AWOL and strikers who make Andreas Andersson look lethal. I know Rafa loves the 4-2-3-1 but for a formation with two holding midfielders it offers hardly any cover in front of the back 4. I hate the fucking system, it's awful. Obviously it'll be better with better players but i'm never going to really like it. It'll look a lot better with midfielders who can actually run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheInfiniteOdyssey Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Same old problems we saw for the last 12 months. Midfielders going AWOL and strikers who make Andreas Andersson look lethal. I know Rafa loves the 4-2-3-1 but for a formation with two holding midfielders it offers hardly any cover in front of the back 4. I hate the f***ing system, it's awful. Obviously it'll be better with better players but i'm never going to really like it. Agreed, I fucking hate 4-2-3-1. It's too rigid and predictable, for us anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Same old problems we saw for the last 12 months. Midfielders going AWOL and strikers who make Andreas Andersson look lethal. I know Rafa loves the 4-2-3-1 but for a formation with two holding midfielders it offers hardly any cover in front of the back 4. I hate the fucking system, it's awful. Obviously it'll be better with better players but i'm never going to really like it. It'll look a lot better with midfielders who can actually run. Aye but i wish it was one proper DM and the two in front roaming to create. I have an irrationall hatred of 4-2-3-1, i'm just spouting off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Same old problems we saw for the last 12 months. Midfielders going AWOL and strikers who make Andreas Andersson look lethal. I know Rafa loves the 4-2-3-1 but for a formation with two holding midfielders it offers hardly any cover in front of the back 4. I hate the f***ing system, it's awful. Obviously it'll be better with better players but i'm never going to really like it. Agreed, I fucking hate 4-2-3-1. It's too rigid and predictable, for us anyway. That's all on the manager, mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Same old problems we saw for the last 12 months. Midfielders going AWOL and strikers who make Andreas Andersson look lethal. I know Rafa loves the 4-2-3-1 but for a formation with two holding midfielders it offers hardly any cover in front of the back 4. I hate the f***ing system, it's awful. Obviously it'll be better with better players but i'm never going to really like it. Agreed, I fucking hate 4-2-3-1. It's too rigid and predictable, for us anyway. I think it just suffocates attacking play at times, and for a fairly rigid defensive formation it's awful in CM at defending, well when we use it. I always think it's a formation for managers who never really want their team to cut loose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 I'm happy with the formation, it will pick up plenty of points on the road. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 No formation can mask Jack Colback. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Same old problems we saw for the last 12 months. Midfielders going AWOL and strikers who make Andreas Andersson look lethal. I know Rafa loves the 4-2-3-1 but for a formation with two holding midfielders it offers hardly any cover in front of the back 4. I hate the f***ing system, it's awful. Obviously it'll be better with better players but i'm never going to really like it. Agreed, I fucking hate 4-2-3-1. It's too rigid and predictable, for us anyway. I think it just suffocates attacking play at times, and for a fairly rigid defensive formation it's awful in CM at defending, well when we use it. I always think it's a formation for managers who never really want their team to cut loose. I think it will only look properly effective when you have some genuine pace up front. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Same old problems we saw for the last 12 months. Midfielders going AWOL and strikers who make Andreas Andersson look lethal. I know Rafa loves the 4-2-3-1 but for a formation with two holding midfielders it offers hardly any cover in front of the back 4. I hate the f***ing system, it's awful. Obviously it'll be better with better players but i'm never going to really like it. Agreed, I f***ing hate 4-2-3-1. It's too rigid and predictable, for us anyway. I think it just suffocates attacking play at times, and for a fairly rigid defensive formation it's awful in CM at defending, well when we use it. I always think it's a formation for managers who never really want their team to cut loose. I think it will only look properly effective when you have some genuine pace up front. That showed last season, we looked so much better with far superior shape with Gayle up front than Mitro or Murphy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Same old problems we saw for the last 12 months. Midfielders going AWOL and strikers who make Andreas Andersson look lethal. I know Rafa loves the 4-2-3-1 but for a formation with two holding midfielders it offers hardly any cover in front of the back 4. I hate the f***ing system, it's awful. Obviously it'll be better with better players but i'm never going to really like it. Agreed, I fucking hate 4-2-3-1. It's too rigid and predictable, for us anyway. I think it just suffocates attacking play at times, and for a fairly rigid defensive formation it's awful in CM at defending, well when we use it. I always think it's a formation for managers who never really want their team to cut loose. I think it will only look properly effective when you have some genuine pace up front. Aye and creative number 10. I know with Rafa it's about controlling possession and hence the game, which you do with better players to be fair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gottlob Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 It's not the formation so much as the way we play it, with the wide attackers fairly fixed and having to get through plenty of defensive work, while of the central midfielders only Hayden is capable of carrying the ball forward - and even then, it's a bit hit and miss as to whether he does that or simply sits deep splaying passes. We're not very good at keeping the ball, moving off the ball, or bringing the number 10 into play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Same old problems we saw for the last 12 months. Midfielders going AWOL and strikers who make Andreas Andersson look lethal. I know Rafa loves the 4-2-3-1 but for a formation with two holding midfielders it offers hardly any cover in front of the back 4. I hate the f***ing system, it's awful. Obviously it'll be better with better players but i'm never going to really like it. Agreed, I f***ing hate 4-2-3-1. It's too rigid and predictable, for us anyway. That's all on the manager, mind. That's rafa though. His team's always frustrate the hell out of fans but he usually creates effective and successful teams given time. Last bit is pivotal in any job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 It's a pre-season away trip to Germany, I wouldn't look into it too much like. We still need a few more players in, obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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